How often does the 10-20 LHE game run? Also the 20-40 LHE? I played in these games back in october about 6-7 times...and there were some pretty awful players in those games...although a small handful of competent players also form what I could tell...

I am not some limit master by any means...and my main arsenal is having memorized the starting hand chart in internet texas holdem by matt hilger...which seemed to work pretty well there in those 2 games at the shoe...was able to profit 2200 one day...300-700 4 or 5 other times, and a 700 dollar loss also...

sample size is obvioiusly miniscule but wasnt too difficult to tell a decent amount of the players in those games were pretty bad

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You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me??

[QUOTE=AZ_wildcat;8670688] "Life?" "Life??" We're poker players, Gringo! We don' wan' no stinking life!!

I'm not a regular.. just someone who will be visiting later this month and who has a couple friends in Chicago who play there regularly....

But.. for what little my 2 cents is worth.. this promotion is crap. (no offense Jeremy)

It's like everyone being forced to pay for lottery tickets, but 90% of the people don't actually get a ticket. Just because player A plays more hours and probably pays more promo dollars than player B, doesn't mean player B should have 0 chance of getting anything.

The new promotion is really bad!!!

1. 100th on the list gives up many promo $1's with no chance of recouping any???

2. Higher limit players will more than likely play down for a few weeks for a shot at free money

3. Seems like only way to make it is if you can play 4-6 days a week and many hours on those days.

I will try my best to make top 99, it will be hard only playing a couple of times a week and some weekends

I have now played a few hours with the "blue bag man", its always fun to see him take a beat, he just cant handle it, and goes a bit crazy for a few minutes afterwards, i told him i was gonna bust him and he said something like how much more money he has then me.....real fun to mess with

I have been wanting to play 6-12 for the longest time and when I go there they are either not offering it , or the list is there and they never start a game !!! I have not been doing well at 1-2 NL due to the fact that it seems 5-6 people are to the flop and I always seem to lose to silly two pair os !!! I even lost w KK and AA to again silly two pair os !!! I consider myself for the most part to be a tight player and still the odds are not with me when I have played there the last 2 times !!! I guess I need to change up my game or something !!

I am not a big fan of this promotion as I really don't play that often there (1-2 times a month). I can see why some real regulars would be a little ticked off.

I agree the food options could be sooo much better for the largeness and niceness of the property !!!

This promo only help the shoe. 99 player will put in a tone of hours which will make the shoe a lot (the 99th will get a good promo, i think) 300 other player will try and put in a tone of hours make the sure a lot of $$ and get nothing. and some new player will play a couple of extra days to try and then quite. So a lot of hour and a lot of $$ down for a lot of player, it might have a couple of player play a little longer but I think there already playing. it help 99and hurt everyone else. I think.

how about a constructive promo idea rather then just complaining, how about a certain amount of actual cash back for hours played.

There's been several good suggestions here already. All have fallen on deaf ears, and all those in the future will fall on deaf ears, too. The Shoe is going to do with our money what it wants to do, and if that isn't apparent to you, then you're not paying as much attention as the rest of us.

The quads or better promotion, that went bad because those in charge didn't know probability from an acorn, was the fairest promotion of all. Players contributed to the pool when they played, and had a chance to collect bonus money when they played. What went on when they weren't in the room was of no concern to them, because they weren't contributing then. Perfectly fair to all, and I never heard a single complaint about it.

All they have to do is go back to that promotion with payouts more befitting the size of the pool. Let the Shoe become known as the home of $200 quads, $300 sf, $500 rf (or something like that), and they won't need another promotion to draw business, until the day the wrecking balls can be heard signaling Illinois' emergence from the Dark Ages.

I agree with this. I do feel however that omaha games should not be entitled to the same amount, or perhaps it should be done like a progressive payout for omaha and hold em seperately. This and/or a traditional bbj seem to be the fairest and most welcomed promo ideas.

Here is another idea that should be applied possibly along with the others.

I think if they gave poker players actual reward credits to be used for comped rooms at other harrahs properties and such, then I feel it would be fair to all players who pay into it as well. This sadly will probably never happen.

So Jeremy, you say you will take the wayyy under on my +/- 220 hours.
coco disagree's with this due to the nature of the degens at the shoe. I must say I dont remember the star ever having a waiting list of over 130 peeps for a 1-2 game on a friday or saturday night with over 12 tables running do you? I figure what was 100 hours at the star would be well over 200 hours at the shoe. Right? But you would know best.

Dead on here, them management of the Shoe will do what is easiest for them, and not give a damn about the people who support the place. It just like every other big buisness. People need to wake up, reconize that, and insist on change or take their buisness elsewhere. By the comments of some, some are tiring of the BS promo drop and are going elsewhere. Just need that on a large scale.

I can only hope the moronic leaders of the State of Illinois wise up and realize just how much money they are losing to border states with the archaic gaming laws in place here.

Yes! The quads 6666, straight flush 45678, royal flush promo was a good one. 10JQKA

The only problem was the quads were hit more often in Omaha.

We still have the sf and rf promos, so what I think would work well is $50 for Omaha players hitting quads, $100 for Holdem players. $200 for straight flush and $500 for royal flush for Omaha and Holdem players.

Right now $500 is paid for Royal Flush and everyone else at the table receives $100. The $100 to all players at the table could be eliminated because you are once again paying the quads.

The only disadvantage to the Omaha players would be $50 for quads because they are hit more often, but they could still get the payouts for straight and royal flushes.

Omaha usually only has 1 table running and that seems only on the busier days.

Everyone contributing to the promo does like a chance of hitting something while they are playing poker and this would give everyone that hope. Therefore, I totally agree with Coco that the quads, sf, rf was the fairest of them all. All I have done is suggest the prizes for the winning structures be changed a little.

The Candy Bowl is Good! Yum!

[QUOTE=Sunglasses13;8692572[QUOTE]] The graphics displaying the different hand values are informative and helpful; no wonder I've been losing lately. Thank you, Specs.




So do I.

I see you're practicing your Chinese again, so I'll translate for you: The Candy Bowl Sucks! When I run the room, feel free to go to that bowl and help yourself to full-size Mars bars, Snickers, M&M,s Butterfingers, Payday, along with a variety of Truffles, Fanny Mae, and much, much more.

For those void of a sweet tooth, I'll have fresh White Castle cheeseburgers brought in and set out on a buffet-style serving table, quarter-pounders from McDonalds, whoopers from BK, and of course, pure beef Vienna hot dogs. For the more healthy-minded, a wide variety of Subway sandwiches.

All of this would be readily available 24/7 for both the high limit and low limit players, and any slot players who just went bust, and are looking for a handout.

How you likin' that candy bowl now, Specs?

Shut up Coco now you just p------ us off, bring these images up in this thread.

Just the other day I getting up and said I was leaving to go get some food. That word woke up another player. "Food, I remember food. Ya food was Good" just before passing out.

I know that the money has moved to the NL side of the house. I have been a winner at NL 1-2 in my career, but over a sample size much smaller than my limit play. Unfortunately, my last few attempts at NL have been more like what Princess has been describing. For whatever reason, I am much more comfortable (and probably competent) at the limit games. Therefore, I do long for the days when I could count on the 6-12 games on a Friday night or Saturday.

The Ameristar in STL had a good PROMO that was a high hand jackpot where each high hand ie: quad 2's, 3's or better...ect hand its own jackpot board and it was a rollover jackpot as in if it wasn't hit on monday it went to tues. also once it was hit it could be hit again be keeping $100 in the pot. How does this sound??? I think this would be great and lets say you were playing omaha you could either give a percentage like 50% for quads or you could take away 8's and lower. Something like this. Believe me It was a good promo and although I never hit it, it felt atainable. I would rather have a BBJ cuz I got my J's beat by a straight flush a few days ago and didn't get jack. FWIW

Travis

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Jeremy, I have been lurking on this thread from the beginning. I have also played in your room about 20 sessions either 20-40 or 2-5 no limit. I believe you to be very hard working and loyal to your room and Harrahs I wish you luck with your career. Working for Harrahs you will need it. When you or management design these promos why do you not spend more time crunching the numbers or at least get feedback from people that don't benefit so much from said promo. 500 for quads in omaha? Any shift manager in Vegas would have immediately clued you in how long that could last. Now it looks like you are comparing a 10,000 promo with a 150,000 promo.

As a hustler myself the first thing I do is try to figure out my theoretical value. For the first promo 70 people times 100 hours = 7000 hours to win 10,000 or about 1.50 an hour.

The second promo if I only needed roughly 100 hours as you suggest might happen, =100 people time 100 hours=10,000 to win 150,000 or about 15.00 an hour and 500 dollars is guaranteed.

I believe you will need at least 200 hours.

What would be wrong with 80 hour minimum and three hundred maximum hours. You could have the tournament over 3 days with 3 separate fields. or even 3 different Sundays. Many more people could participate and many more would try to play extended hours. Bonus chips for anything over the minimum.

Why not put your promotion Idea on here, let us give our opinions on how to tweak it, and then with all the information fine tune the promo from there.

+1 this might be the most insightful post in the thread.

Jeremy I appreciate all the work you're doing and I'm sure it is getting to be a pain in the ass for you to check this thread and deal with all the whining. Jeremy is doing us a service, guys, by communicating through this thread and let's not forget it or make it a chore to talk to us.

With that said, this promo does have some serious flaws and I think you are grossly underestimating the amount of time it will take to qualify. There could have been much more effective ways to structure this tournament, which perhaps you could take into consideration next time.

The Wynn and Caesar's Palace in Vegas do a standard promo wherein 40 hours of play in a month locks you into their monthly freeroll. 40 hours may be a little low for the Shoe since it doesn't have the competition problem that other Vegas casinos have to deal with, but the way the freeroll is structured now, the required hours will end up being absurdly high. Somewhere in the middle where more than just professional poker players are included would be perfect, say around 80 hours/month.

If it ends up being 100 hours/month to qualify, that is a bit high but still fair but my guess is it will take a minimum of 120 hrs/month to qualify, which is putting in a somewhat unreasonable 30 hours/week. And that is a low estimate in my opinion. Poker players are really good at assessing value and the value in trying to qualify for this tourney is unusually high, so they will put in the hours.

I hope it does not take 200 hours to make 99th but we will see. That is 7 hours a day for the whole promotion.

When I asked for suggestions months ago, many people said a freeroll tournament BECAUSE EVERYONE CAN BE ELIGIBLE and then when it is done everyone complains. Trust me whatever is done, people will complain because they themsleves can not benefit the most. We can't have a tournament with 200-300 people in it (for less hours) any time of the day because the tables are not available. The only time for 200 people would be earlier in the morning and then everyone would complain because they would have to work when it was. This is why we set it at 99 players. We are not going to break cash games to have a freeroll tournament.

Does everyone realize this is only one promotion and there will be others in the future so everyones suggestions besides Coconuts are welcome....

As for the quads or better promo 5 months ago. We wanted it to be something a week or so long and give out alot. Then we made it straight flush or better gets paid and have had that since then.

Everyone is allowed to give their opinion but sometimes I don't even want to read this thread anymore because as you say there are more whiners then questions and suggestions. Where else can you frequent an establishment and have direct contact with management when you have questions or suggestions. Some think that when their specific suggestion is not implemented or used that no one is listning. Nooo we just don't want to or can't implement it right away or feel it does not suit what we are trying to do right now.

If it does take many hours to qualify we will consider a minimum hours for a future freeroll. But as I mention before it would have to be around 100-150 people and take place in one day. This current freeroll is just one promotion that we will try. If we did an 80 hour minimum freeroll, what would you think about having it at 8am? This is what would have to be done to have 250 people.

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Helloooo! Maybe you should pay as much attention to the captilized words as you wanted us to; can EVERYONE be eligible for this one??
Now we're hitting below the belt! Wonderful! It's about time. Excuse me, again, but before it began, this promotion was announced repeatedly as being from the entire month. I have some Gingko Biloba for sale that I can let you have at discount.

Ya know J: Every now and then, you sound like a man trying to deny that he's the one who farted, in a two-passenger car.

Love and best wishes. Coconuts.

And I'm sincere about the love and best wishes. Might not sound like it often, but I'm actually one of your biggest fans.

[QUOTE=coconuts;8735083] That was actually pretty funny!

^ I agree. But even a blind squirrel sometimes finds an acorn.