[QUOTE=Kevin J;8615115] No, it sucks. That's why I suggested $2 per hour instead of $1; maybe you could pay a little more attention. Didn't you say before that you seldom play downstairs anyway? I seem to remember you writing something like 38 posts on the evils of the promotion, and then a 39th apologizing to Jeremy, and admitting you might be wrong because you never play down there anyway. Or is my memory failing me? Yes it is, but I fail to see the sadness.
Thanks for the newsflash.
Good to see you can be right on target for at least the first 1/3rd of a sentence; you seem to have lost focus after "room."

[QUOTE=totallyfocused;8615371] I believe this statement to be true, as I've noticed some of the every-day players from the first month or two, to be mising. I would be glad to play elsewhere myself, if it served my best interests. And doesn't it just gall ya, to know that management thinks we're stupid enough to just not think about that extra dollar and the overall effect of it? Or hope we just don't care?

In rare cases, does a business lose all of it's clientele en masse, as when the Shoe first opened and Resorts and Majestic were flattened out. Most of the time, the customers disappear one or two at a time. And again, as was the case in Illinois casinos for years, lack of competition keeps a mediocre establishment thriving.

Jeremy, This promotion sucks. How long are you committed to run it?

Jeremy -

After reading all of the negatives about your newest promo, of course I can't resist asking this question -

What is wrong with having something like Aces cracked win a rack(of one dollar chips)? Holding this promo on Monday or Tuesday from say 9AM til 7PM would bring in customers, if that's your goal. Maybe on one other day of your choice and for the benefit of us promo dollar contributors you could hold this promo also on one other day.

Also high hand of the day is a good promo.

I know I have posted this before, but I have personally experience both of these promos at other casinos and they seem to work well.

It wasn't 38 posts and $2/hr. still isn't enough because... Oh never mind. What's math got to do with poker anyway?

I am right there with totallyfocussed on this one. I'll drive to Tunica from Champaign to play there before I'll drive to Hammond. Paying a ridiculous dollar promo drop for "promos" that must have been thought up by a first grade class is a joke. It's not hard to use that dollar promo drop to the advantage of everyone, the palyers and the casino. Looks like the people making the decision on what these "promos" are need some help.

Here's an idea, contact some one at another casino that has a promo drop, and find out what promos work and what doesn't work. God only knows how many properties Harrah's owns, so you got a wealth of knowledge out there to work from. If someone at the Hammond Horseshoe is willing to do a little work; this could definatley be a win-win situation. But as of now, it is a win-lose situation in favor the the Horseshoe.

Now I'll suggest several promos that I have seen in casinos that seemed decent. The Aces Cracked promo, where if durring a certain time, you get Aces cracked, you get something. Very viable option for slow times ( Monday and Tuesday mornings??)

High hand for the day/high hand for a time block. Seen both, both very simple and easy, nothing to hard about that one. The combination of a high hand bonus for every four hours and a high hand bonus for the day are 2 very good ideas in my opinion.

The royal,flush, straight flush, quads bonus. Get one of the those hands, win something.

Cash giveaways. Example: Happens four times a day: 12am, 6am, 12pm, 6pm. At a half an hour before these times, tickets are passed out to the players in a ring game and are then collected once the players put there name on them. At the specified time, a ticket is drawn and if the player is still playing in a ring game, he or she gets a certain amount of cash or to pick an envolope from several containing various amounts.

As can be seen by theses promos, everyone contributing to them has a shot of winning them. It is a win-win situation. The players know they have a shot of winning something extra from the dollar drop when they play. The casino wins be having play at slow times, having a happy player base, and most importantly having a player base that wants to play there.

The management of the Horseshoe Hammond will contiue to stick it to the players on this issue as long as the players sit silent and do nothing. The players need to unite on this issue and voice their opinion collectively!

Long live the low rake, comp rooms, and comp food of Tunica as long as the Hammond Horseshoe is run this way!

Just got back from Tunica and am checking back in this thread (God knows why)
I put the over under at 220 hours for 99th. Anyone else have a guess?

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Specs: Please refrain from drinking heavily before you post! Giveaways that take place on a specific slow time of the day or week, are fine and dandy...provided the house is paying for them out of their rake. But additional "promotion" money being collected from the players 24/7 should be available to be won 24/7. Other wise, the "promo" is nothing more than the Shoe using our money for their benefit. Okay? Okay!

It's obvious you haven't met too many of the degens that play at the Shoe. I make the over/under 680, and only that low because February is a short month.

Thanks a lot for this one Jeremy. Should be a great "aroma" permeating the room, especially near the end of the qualifying time.

ATTN ALL: I got clothespins for sale that fit all size noses; get 'em early cause the price goes up the second week in March.

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I wonder if the Shoe's aware of this error on their part??.
This was the right promo, had it been done correctly. Absolutely fair to all, and popular with the players, but whoever designated the payouts stunk at math. With lower payouts that the pool could've sustained 24/7, we'd still have it, everyone would be happy (instead of packing bags to move to Tunica), and management could have saved itself a whole lot of headaches.

Kevin J. could have figured out the correct payouts in seconds, literally...and let us never forget that in our hour of need, he was nowhere to be found.

This is just one promotion we have decided to do. Will anyone every be happy? I guess not. The promo dollar will be taken, so we are finding various ways to distribute it back.

So if a bad beat was done and the dollar is still taken (just as in the Tunica casinos) this form of a promotion is alright and is NOT as you say "robbery"?

It's just bad to those who feel they will not benefit from it but everyone is eligible for it. This is a one time promotion.

I tend to recall that awile back when I was asking for suggestions for future promotions, the masses said a freeroll tournament........ and hotdog giveaways.
This was because most wanted a promotion that everyone could be eligible for and would benefit the players that played the most. I tend to believe if we handed out $100 bills as players walked in the room someone would still say they did not like it. Probably because they had to work that day.

We also can't raise the comp rate with the promo money.

You do realize we are a faily large room and with a 40 hour requirement in a month we would have over 300 people in the tournament. We can track the hours now and we know roughly how many we would have with hour minimums. When you do a top number to get in, players will play longer to make the top 99.

I apperciate your additional suggestions instead of just slamming something.

Promos like this are nice but from my expierence they do not bring in additional business. They are just an extra perk.

If you have it from 9-7 then what about the people that work all day?.....

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When was the last time you played in the room? You know we have had this promotion with the St Flush and Royal flush for the past several months right? We actually pay out quite a bit with it. I also know some of you that post on here have hit them yourselves.

You know we also do something similar to this too right? With the $1500 tournament seats that are issued at 9am, 3pm, 9pm and 3am.

Correct this is why we did them.......

I'll take the way under!

220 hours will be around 5th-10th. That's 55 hours a week and does not happen with many of the 2-5 and under players.

I know when Majestic use to have their freerolls awhile back it was for $10,000 and it was offered to players with 100 hours or more and they would get around 60-70 players.

Be patient.....

I wonder if a huge bad beat would be WOW enough for coconuts?

Even though I play at the SHOE less then even you Terrier, about once a week, I think the promotion is very fair.

Why on earth would the casino care if you can only make it there twice a week? They are in the right, rewarding the top 99 players whether they have a job or not...and if they don't have a job, thus having an advantage over you...well too bad basically...

This promotion rewards the players that play there the most...as it rightly should, so this is a GREAT decision by the casino to reward the most frequent players that affect their bottom line the most in the poker room. What do you expect them to do?

Look at it from the otherside...what if someone doesn't have a job and plays there a ton...or even a guy that has a legit job, yet still plays there enough to crack the top 99? That would suck a lot for them for you to have as even a shot as them to make a seat, when they play there a ton more.

Promotions are for the best customers... If you decided to have kids and work a BS job...then tough #$*&.

JEREMY- Is there anyway that we can give this dude, COCNUTS, rakeback?

Free promotions only for him?

Maybe a monthly 1 man tournament only for him where he goes all in on the first hand and wins because no one else is allowed to sign up. And for winning it...he gets a vienna beef hotdog cart that he is allowed to have next to him while he plays at all times, and whoever that guy is he always argues with has to feed him the hotdogs while he plays...and if anyone complains about the cards being greasy from him stuffing his face...he has unchallenged authority to boot them from the SHOE forever.

Jeremy...I haven't met you yet but whenever I am able to talk with you for a sec...I want you to have all my players club hours from past and future play to immediately be transferred to coconuts card...so I do not have to read this whiny tool complain like a freshman sorority girl that didn't get picked by the sluttiest house, anymore.

I do not even read this thread that often, nor do I really pay attention to who is writing and what they are writing, except for COCNUTS...and the once or twice a week i read this thread I always get a migraine from reading this douche complain.

OR...I'll even put up 125 dollars for one of Gary's finest prostitutes ...because obviously there must be a sexual frustration root to all this crying and whining.

Thnx to those who praised my ideas....I think we should try to strive not only to criticize promos but also then propose more equitable ones for all the players who gamble at the Shoe even somewhat regularly.

Just posting, "man Jeremy these promos blow..." simply isnt going to get anything changed...and I think the promo dollar is here to stay at least in the near term based on what I hear/see.

I see jeremy responding to a lot of folks in here and would love for him to maybe speak to the possibility of instituting a program like the one I describe or something akin to it at the Shoe.

Im not asking to stroke my ego or anything.

(especially since literally NONE of the ideas I proposed are much more than a logically thought out outright copy of what is already being used widespread in the online world to drive business and reward folks)

Overall I love the way Jeremy runs a room, but I would like to see the thinking of the casino behind NOT trying out a rakeback type program.

Another point which needs to be addressed is the specious belief that PROMOTIONS should benefit the MOST LOYAL customers only. Use a little brainpower/business accumen and almost immediately the answer to why this is almost opposite to the reality of the situation is true.

A promo SHOULD definitely reward folks for continued patronage BUT CHIEFLY it should be used to MARGINALLY raise the hours/sessions/visits players like me (the weekly/monthly player) log.

Degens will be degens...and promos will help retain them...but overall if they play 100 hours or 200 hours a month they are playing about as much as they are going to play. Folks like me who might log anywhere from 10/40 hours a month or something overall can be coaxed into playing more MUCH MORE EASILY through programs like the ones I describe.The players who play only occasionally(say 5-10 times a yr) are usually going to stick to that schedule for reasons that should be sort of obvious to all of us....

Its the MARGINAL hours/MARGINAL rake produced by the promos that are really important!

Actually...scratch the me buying a prostitute for COCONUTS...to keep him from whining and crying on here...

I don't want to subject a hooker to her worst client ever...

She would have a nervous break down while giving COCONUTS a BJ...

Can you imagine how much he'd be complaining? "your not going deep enough"

"your teething too much"

You're not looking me in the eyes while your doing it...I want a half off comp on this session"

"You don't allow facials? How can you not allow facials? Don't you consider your customer's requests since they are paying you good money?

I'm not an ******* by any means jeremy...but you will have to show me who this guy is when I introduce myself to you...so I can walk up to him, point at him and start laughing hysterically, and tell him what a whiny little bitch he is...I am sure you will get satisfaction out of that hands down

You are correct that the Tunica casinos have the bad beat, but you fail to mention the fact that they also run various other promition along with the bad beat. So every player walking into that room has a chance of winning promotinal money, very unlike your missmanaged room!

Well if you have it, and its working as a win-win situation, why are you getting rid of it for a non win-win situation? Goes back to the simple philosophy of screw the players as long as the house makes money!