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01-13-2011 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by xbeatax
Zookeeper is just a hater!
I just hate the Mohegan Sun poker room

I might even like you if you come back to FW and play Omaha or Horse
or PLO or Stud high low

Last edited by Zookeeper; 01-13-2011 at 06:04 PM.
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01-13-2011 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by monkeymaps
I think is there is too much confusion about what lists are what so when a table opens like half of the people think they are playing H/L and are like WTF? or vice versa
Foxwoods is great on labeling games on board.

4-8 Omaha H/L with a half kill

1-2 PLO H/L

1-2 PLO H

Just read the board, any questions ask. want to start a list do it.

The plaque at table says what game but I guess they used wrong one for high other night when first started. Just ask before playing Omaha players are VERY vocal
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01-13-2011 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Zookeeper
Foxwoods is great on labeling games on board.

4-8 Omaha H/L with a half kill

1-2 PLO H/L

1-2 PLO H

Just read the board, any questions ask. want to start a list do it.

The plaque at table says what game but I guess they used wrong one for high other night when first started. Just ask before playing Omaha players are VERY vocal
Guess it has improved then I haven't played either game in a bit at FW but in the past the interest lists were confusing for some.

Didn't mean to sound like a jerk obv. people should be able to play what ever the heck they like to play. Long term though I don't think the H/L PL is a sustainable game in that bad players just can't really win or more accurately win big in that game and quickly get sucked dry where as in limit h/l games its more a a slow death. But obv. if people enjoy that game then they should play it but I am not sure if new players are attracted to it long term though, that may or may not matter to most.
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01-13-2011 , 06:40 PM
Lets get the PLO high going this weekend.
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01-13-2011 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by kazor
Lets get the PLO high going this weekend.
I will play Saturday night for sure
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01-13-2011 , 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by theding87
Was in the 5/10 game for about an hour (Maybe like 4AM - 5AM). Dude got stuck roughly 8k in the hour I was there. Was most likely stuck a lot more from before I got there.

I put a beat on him at one of the last hands of 5/10. Dude says lock up the seat. Comes back. Says he wants to put more than the $2000 cap on the table.

Asks everyone if we can change the game to uncapped 10/25. Only one person refuses, but the person who refuses to play ends up leaving instead of having us keeping the game at 5/10.

Dude who was tilting puts 30k on the table and the game turns into 10/25 with the tilting dude straddling at every opportunity.

IMO, game got really nitty after the change to 10/25 except for one hand when I opened to like $125, got two callers, button squeezes to $750. Tilting dude who started the 10/25 game calls.

Flop: T 7 6. Tilting dude checks. Button shoves. Tilting dude calls with TT.

Turn 8

River 9.

Button shows 93o.
I was likely at that table, as well. If you were the one who had the JJ vs. the TT, I obviously know who this is, and I think that the river was played exceptionally-well versus that villain given the lack of flop aggression. Perfect bet-sizing.

But yeah, villain already showed the capability of getting money (18k, I believe) in on the flop with a bare 5-hi FD, so with middle set, he likely is fistpumping with his entire stack there.
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01-13-2011 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by IWearSportsJerseys
I was likely at that table, as well. If you were the one who had the JJ vs. the TT, I obviously know who this is, and I think that the river was played exceptionally-well versus that villain given the lack of flop aggression.

But yeah, villain already showed the capability of getting money (18k, I believe) in on the flop with a bare 5-hi FD, so with middle set, he likely is fistpumping with his entire stack there.
Nah, I'm not the dude who coolered him with JJ vs. TT on the JT5hh flop.

The action is as follows:

Hero raise to 100 utg with JJ, fish calls with 30K stack, hero covers. JT5hh. Hero bet 125, fish makes it 425, hero call. 2c. Hero check, fish bets 1150, Hero check raise to 5400, he calls. Ah river. Hero bet 6300, fish calls with TT.

I think the reg that coolered the tilting donkey played the hand horribly. There also was a lot of flop aggression (Tilting donkey raised flop), so I have no clue what your talking about because hearts + KQ are in villain's range.

Flop flat is awful and turn c/r is terrible sizing.

Edit: I also think river lead is terribad and pf open sizing is bad considering how deep stacks are.

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01-13-2011 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by theding87
Nah, I'm not the dude who coolered him with JJ vs. TT on the JT5hh flop.

The action is as follows:

Hero raise to 100 utg with JJ, fish calls with 30K stack, hero covers. JT5hh. Hero bet 125, fish makes it 425, hero call. 2c. Hero check, fish bets 1150, Hero check raise to 5400, he calls. Ah river. Hero bet 6300, fish calls with TT.

I think the reg that coolered the tilting donkey played the hand horribly. There also was a lot of flop aggression (Tilting donkey raised flop), so I have no clue what your talking about because hearts + KQ are in villain's range.

Flop flat is awful and turn c/r is terrible sizing.

Edit: I also think river lead is terribad and pf open sizing is bad considering how deep stacks are.
I played with the donk all night, and I actually like the river lead--he is incapable of bluff-shoving and will flat with hands worse than a flush. But I am not a fan of the flop at all, I agree...I mean, donk shoved 18k with 5xhh on a 2-heart board. With TT, on JTx, he is giving it all away while reg still has the nuts.

What seat were you? I was the 7 seat, grey Skynyrd hoodie.

EDIT: NM, I know who this is...opening to $125 in that hand gives it away. I cannot believe he squeezed in that spot with such garbage with the donk in the pot. Against that guy, I squeezed with real hands--I 3bet to $250 with AK, he flats, flop is Q55dd, he checks, I c-bet $350, he calls. Turn 4, check/check. River 2, no FD completes, check/check, AK is way good.

Along those lines, with any set against him, I am 3betting, 4betting, 5betting, 10betting a flop, myself. With 2 hearts and JT on board, get the money in.

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01-13-2011 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by IWearSportsJerseys
I played with the donk all night, and I actually like the river lead--he is incapable of bluff-shoving and will flat with hands worse than a flush. But I am not a fan of the flop at all, I agree...I mean, donk shoved 18k with 5xhh on a 2-heart board. With TT, on JTx, he is giving it all away while reg still has the nuts.

What seat were you? I was the 7 seat, grey Skynyrd hoodie.

EDIT: NM, I know who this is...opening to $125 in that hand gives it away. I cannot believe he squeezed in that spot with such garbage with the donk in the pot.
I'd rather not say, but you can figure it out from all the hints I've dropped in the last two pages as long as you remember notable hands from the night, and then peace it together with my description of my roles in those hands.

Edit: Glad you could figure it out.

How light were your 3-betting me?
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01-13-2011 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by theding87
How light were your 3-betting me?
PM sent. Everyone knows I am a nit .

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01-13-2011 , 09:32 PM
The more that I think about that hand, the more it disgusts me. I would not be happy with winning a $25k pot. I would be kicking my own ass for not stacking the guy.
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01-13-2011 , 09:42 PM
Actually after thinking about the hand, do you really want to make a 60k pot against someone who is willing to get it in with a draw? I mean... it is a lot of money. Also I admit now I love his river bet, its a sicko vbet because he has his range narrowed down to flop/turn made hand. Not sure if that's his logic.
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01-13-2011 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by xbeatax
Actually after thinking about the hand, do you really want to make a 60k pot against someone who is willing to get it in with a draw? I mean... it is a lot of money. Also I admit now I love his river bet, its a sicko vbet because he has his range narrowed down to flop/turn made hand. Not sure if that's his logic.
If you're afraid of getting in 70/30 then the game is too big for you. Way too big.

Also his range is not narrowed to made hands at all. Villain is very capable of raising with all draws here on the flop. As played, I think it's more likely villain has a draw than JT, TT, 55
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01-13-2011 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by xbeatax
Actually after thinking about the hand, do you really want to make a 60k pot against someone who is willing to get it in with a draw? I mean... it is a lot of money. Also I admit now I love his river bet, its a sicko vbet because he has his range narrowed down to flop/turn made hand. Not sure if that's his logic.
Yes, I am willing to get it in against a draw. I would be fist pumping

I would never play with money that I could not afford to lose. Or even with money that I am not totally okay with losing.
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01-13-2011 , 09:52 PM
Is he donk leading the turn with a draw tho? Esp after the flop action. Probably not. He'd check/call there imo

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01-13-2011 , 09:54 PM
Also, beats hurt no matter if you can afford them or not, and a 30k loss is def a stinger.
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01-13-2011 , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by xbeatax
Also, beats hurt no matter if you can afford them or not, and a 30k loss is def a stinger.
Fish didnt donk the flop. He raised

WOuld it sting, yes. Would I be willing to get my whole stack in there 100% of the time, OH HELL YES!
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01-13-2011 , 09:59 PM
I try not to think of the loss as a monetary thing either. If I can afford to play what I am playing, then a loss is a loss is a loss. The dollar amount shouldnt matter.
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01-13-2011 , 10:04 PM
I meant to say donk the turn.
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01-13-2011 , 10:09 PM
Also I'm gonna go out on a limb and say almost none of the people in that game are rolled for 10/25, probably just 5/10 players in a game looking to take a shot with a big fish in the game. Great players take risks when they see a **** ton of money to be won.
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01-13-2011 , 10:51 PM
not 3betting the flop is criminal there and i think we can end the discussion at that. appreciate the posts though, pretty much the only time i can remember a decent hand/table story being told about the high nl games at foxwoods. wish it would happen more.

good chance i'm going tmrw for the day/night to play 5/10+nl so maybe see some of you there.
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01-13-2011 , 11:04 PM
I will be there tomorrow night. Hoping to get a PLO game going
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01-13-2011 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by xbeatax
Also I'm gonna go out on a limb and say almost none of the people in that game are rolled for 10/25, probably just 5/10 players in a game looking to take a shot with a big fish in the game. Great players take risks when they see a **** ton of money to be won.
I played in the game and got that feeling. The only three-bet I saw for an hour was that squeeze play with 93o. Everyone else was reeallly nitty.
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01-13-2011 , 11:45 PM
There's only a few rolled for that game for sure.

But I know if I write strategy it might get deleted.just like the king pin said lance Howard money is a means to an end


But KL played the hand fine except for the flop IMO given the previous history.

Also I doubt That he was worried about getting it in versus a draw...actually I know he wasn't. I know its a cleche but you can't.think of your money as a monetary means and played scared or you'll.never be successful at poker.

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01-14-2011 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by theding87
I played in the game and got that feeling. The only three-bet I saw for an hour was that squeeze play with 93o. Everyone else was reeallly nitty.
i am close with the guy who made that play and lol, i showed him the post today and he goes "ha i knew it'd make the internet."

also, why do you think there was no 5/10 when that game was running? all the 5/10 players were taking a shot, imo
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