Vegas did use plexiglass for awhile. It's a pain, if you want to talk to the guy next to you, you both just lean around it.

Nice hack!

It's either that, or yell loud enough for him to hear you, and that's just rude because it'll disturb everyone else at the table too.

How often does TSR run Omaha Hi games? I see fixed limit Omaha 8 and Big O daily but I’ve only seen 25-600 Omaha Hi running twice in the last few months. Any ideas how often Omaha Hi runs and what to expect for average buy in, blind structure, betting limits etc?


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So, as to the rumor that Talking Stick was moving the poker room to the tents, to make the current room the sports book supposedly, is it safe to say those plans have been shelved, given that TS did not get a sports gaming license? (which itself is somewhat hard to believe. How did that happen?)

No. Not worse.

Wiping down the plexi doesn’t clean those trapped air molecules.

The virus is not leaping back off the plexi to get back in the air.

You are not trapped with someone’s air for hours. Air naturally moves around even when you don’t feel it moving. People moving, breathing, heat from bodies and or light, etc all cause air currents. Even without these currents gases including air naturally diffuse.

Omaha hi only never runs. The 10-600 and 25-600 are mixed. Usually a 5 card double board hi and then a 5 card hi/lo. Sometimes there's a 5 card hi only in the mix but less frequent recently.

10-600 is uh 300(?) to 2500 buy in with 5/10 blinds, you can bet (or raise) between 10 and 600. Plays pretty normal compared to plo or nl. 25-600 is 2500 min buy 25/25 blinds (bet or raise between 25 and 600), and basically is a limit game by the turn. It's honestly an awful structure and awful game, but they sometimes run that game instead to keep some nitty short stackers out who will only play 10-600.

From my understanding if you want to play Omaha hi only you gotta network your way into private games.

I play ever fri, sometimes sat I would love to get a frequent 4 card hi only game to run.

Forgot to add, they literally would not even let me start a list for Omaha hi only spread limit. They said you can only start a list for mix. TSR pretty much is the nut low if you want Omaha hi, better off flying to tx or Vegas.

Thanks for the detailed response! Very much appreciated.

Kinda crazy that there is basically no PLO to be played anywhere in AZ.. I’ve tried to start a game a few times at Lone Butte but never seems to get past 8 people on the list so the game never runs.


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I guess that brings up the question, is "pot-limit" a form of "spread-limit"? Fixed or spread are, afaik, the only legal games at casinos in Az. I'm happy to learn otherwise.

There never was pot limit. It was spread and if 5 people limped preflop for $10, someone could pop it to $500.

At which point it turned into limit omaha once someone called the 500

Why don't they spread pot-limit but with a $500 maximum bet? It doesn't seem to me like it would violate the gaming regulations, and would be at least pretty close to PLO (like the current spread-limit games are pretty close to NL).

They have spread this game (10-500 and 10-600 Omaha High) in the past and would still spread it if there was enough demand. But for now, the key players prefer mix for a variety of reasons (and sometimes 25-600, as mentioned earlier in the thread).

But this spread-limit Omaha High game is not analogous to PLO and neither is the spread-limit hold 'em close to NL. Not many understand any of those games on a deep level so they can pass as similar, but the differences are important.

One thing I will add, which I don't think has been discussed here, is that the new gaming compact does not specify any wagering limits for poker. It was specified in past versions of the compact, but not in the 2021 amended compact. However, for every other game (blackjack, baccarat, craps, etc.) a maximum wager of $100,000 is specified in the relevant appendix. The amended compact and appendices are here. The 2021 Poker Memorandum of Understanding is here (PDF).

So maybe we will have PLO and NL in Arizona soon. Or maybe not. Perhaps someone with more knowledge can chime in.

it's not worth it to train every dealer to count the pot when the game isn't even a real pot limit.

TY. The memo is not CTRL-F searchable But I did note

p8. Cards have life span of 6 months.

p14. It is legal to pay for your dinner out of your playing stack.

p15 Cash must be converted to chips before betting it.

p16 Poker played according to this agreement shall not have a jackpot pormotional fund, jackpot rake ... IT doesn't apply to 98% o the games?

I didn't see anything about betting limits other than the "Gaming Facility Operator" has to post them. Does she choose them?

Another appendix specifies the rules for "Promotional Award Poker", which allows for jackpots and corresponding rake. On page 16 of that document, § III(M)(1) specifies a wager limit of 100K.

I have never heard the term "Promotional Award Poker", so I'm not certain if that refers to a poker game with BBJ or something else.

Sure in the bigger games they would be different, but I have played the spread-limit in AZ, and I've played plenty of 1/2 NL. The max buyin everywhere is pretty much always under $500, and I don't really remember ever seeing a bet of over $500. It's certainly extremely rare. It's also extremely rare to have more than 3 raises on the same street. Is there some other difference I'm missing?

Ya the key players love double board and 5 card so 4 card high only spread limit doesn't get run anywhere. From my understand it used to a lot but all the games went underground to private plo games. I've not been here long enough to network into them yet.

Does anyone know yes or no if talking stick got a sports gambling license? Thought I heard somewhere that they somehow didn’t get a license???

Just heard that they will be spreading a true No limit game starting next week. 5/10 not sure if the buy in will be capped. Will be interested to see the impact on the other games and if this is the beginning of the end for all the spread limit games. Also heard true PLO will start in the new year.

I hope this includes removing the ridiculous 4-bet cap pre flop.

It should, if it's true NL. bet caps are a feature of FL and SL.

I wonder how big the games will get out there. They start NL tomorrow.

This would be huge. Also a fellow Seinfeld enthusiast I see