I believe the standard was set at th 25-50 level. Also, talking as well as verbal sparring is fine, it's the trashy-uncalled-for personal attacks we can all do without...

Record this and put it here on twoplustwo. A heads-up, deep, LIVE cash game would be the nuts.

DELECTO VS VIFFER
GRUDGE MATCH

How standard is it to pay someone to play heads up? (at higher stakes obv.)

Is a certain amount standard, like 2bb's an hour or something, or is it just a negotiation based on perceived edge.

I think people are missing the point that Nick River's arguments and clorox's arguments aren't mutually exclusive. They're talking over each other and not listening to what the other is saying. There is legtimacy to both their points.

Regarding a HUD, I only play HU when I play online, and I almost never use a HUD and don't think it's necessary. But I'd certainly use it if I was 10-tabling 6max. That said, I'm on an 18BI downer HU, so wtf do I know...

Thanks guys. I'm going to duck out now, as I don't want to be repetitive and argue just for the sake of argument.

people say online is tougher than live. yeah that is true given one session. A competent online player who once in a while tries live game will find the session very easy and profitable. But would the same online guy able to make a living off live poker? not really. it's so painfully slow, casino games are right beside you, gas, tips, food, etc. It takes another kind of discipline to make consistent money at live, not to mention running good because less hands and deep stacks inevitably lead to higher variance. There should be solid number of ~$100/ hr regs at live 10/20 , but it would be very rare case if anyone did ~200/hr over a long period after subtracting all the expenses.

Well if you drive 10 minutes and eat free food I'm actually cutting my expenses

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ70hbvaPdU.

i agree with most of your points limon but this one is ******ed.

brian townsend meet bobby baldwin...

ya it really sucks to only be playing 25/50 and 50/100... what a busto loser blah blah

sorry holmes i stand by it 100% and will even argue the point if you want to make a detailed opening statement explaining how you or others have figured out better ways to beat bad players. ss1 is pretty much entirely about how to beat bad/losing players (ie donks). most of the interesting recent stuff is about how to beat good but not great players (ie unimaginative tags). also you cant really read about how to beat anyone you have to figure it out at the table.

to him it does. thats why he opened a second secret account to hide his shame. i also dont think the big live players are impressed he can still grind 25/50 as they shove millions of his dollars into their safe deposit boxes and wait until the next wonderkid shows up.

limon,
i'm sure you've played against players live who u can put on a reraising range that's tight. maybe like JJ+/AQ/AK. u've also got a read that he cont bets maybe 90% of the time.

if the board comes Q53o and the fish bets, there's just no way you are analysing this situation as well as i am, unless you've gone beyond super system.

based upon your last 3 months worth of posts, NVG really seems a better fit for you than HSNL.

listen, nick made a statement, i refuted it ... sorry man. it just so happens there are many online winners who get their ass handed to them live (for a while). i dont even know if townsend is one of them it could all be bull**** for all i know but it is a high profile case to prove a point. no one here would know the names of the people ive seen tap out at the commerce.

so your example of someone busting from live poker is someone who won 300k in that series of live sessions and has won millions from poker?

and so all the times you talk about players running away with their tails between their legs just means they lost a pot once?

i just dont understand your constant hate of online players and this point that you constantly try to make when it doesn't happen.

No you didn't. You named a guy who has way more money than you, has more skill than any live 10/20 grinder in the world, who still plays in high stakes games on his own dime, and suggested that he's busto. WTF has this got to do with a MSNL grinder playing 10/20 NL? Zero. Honestly, you have yet to make anything resembling a decent argument anywhere in this thread.

"For a while." Yeah, like for about a month, like I already said. Then they're winning. You could put up a bunch of names of former Commerce 10/20 NL players who you think are busto (not that you seem to understand what "busto" means if you think some guy worth seven figures is busto), and I suspect that not one among them would have a long-term history as a successful online MSNL grinder.

and and hes really smart and cool too and his lips are sooooo pretty and and...

i dont hate on line players i played over a milllion hands on line during the party days and was making a shytload of money before the uiega. heres a newsflash for you...so were many of the live players who are back at the casino now. that s why i think its soo funny that you guys ahve this big distinction...there is no distinction.

heres another news flash; 99% of the guys at the casino 10-20+ arent live pros. theyre degenerates and vacationers and rich guys goofing around. you like to compare on line winners to live players NOT live winners. if you actually gathered up the working pros and put them at one table the online only guy would be in a very bad situation. im sure like brian was in bobbys game.

"if you actually gathered up the working pros and put them at one table the online only guy would be in a very bad situation."

lol.

fyp

200 bones an hour

LOL i still can't get over that

what about if you wanted to cheat on your taxes?

There's apparently a huge distinction when they apparently can't figure out a way to make more than $200/hour.

limon just sounds silly.

anyways, you realize why lots of online players initially have a difficult time playing live? It's usually because they struggle to bring their level of thinking down to the right level and have no clue wtf the monkeys are doing.