neo=the one close

Sh*t has officially hit the fan.

all done from the inside

this is so weird. Are u saying helmuths ub/ps accounts were hacked since he been talking about how he and neverwin gonna take over and its just a matter of time. Sound like someone found openholecards and is ready to rock Hish stakes. FWIW helmuth dont hold candle against even the mediocre 10-20 online players.

hellmuth's ub account wasnt hacked. someone impersonating phil just sent emails to trambo.

about right

Guys, this wasn't Phil's email. Just an impersonator, trambo posted his email at the table and someone pretended to be phil and emailed him.

This is a post I made in May when the AP cheating story broke. I tried to warn people to stay away from UB.


UB lying/dishonesty for the youngsters

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FatalError wrote in the absolute cheating thread:
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"i think it is about time people start contacting the mathematically/computer savy minds in poker and ask them for a few minutes of time to raise awareness about this issue, people that come to mind

Chris Ferguson
Richard Brodie
Barry G
Bill Chen
Most of the Tiltboys"



The tiltboys include Phil Gordon. This reminded me of when UB was accused of setting up a fake freeroll for their first Aruba Tournament(2002) -- which Phil Gordon won. UB doesn't have the cleanest reputaion. For those who don't know, Russ Hamilton was one of the major owners of UB.

Here is the most important quote which is from Daniel N. Then I wil paste the whole text and a post from your commander David Sklansky. Mason M also posted in this thread which is from rgp.

Daniel N:
"I'm still not going to comment on the whole Aruba/UB deal. I wasn't
invlolved in it, and I just don't want to open up that can of worms for a
number of reasons. Yes, I was offered a free room and flight to Aruba, along
with a seat in the televised Pro tournament... I declined the offer, for
reasons I'm just not going to discuss.
In closing let me just say this: if anyone would like to offer me a freeroll
into a 250 thousand dollar one table tournament in Timbuktu tomorrow, I can
make it to the airport in an hour...
Daniel Negreanu"

David Sklansky wrote:
"Dsklansky
Dec 6 2002, 8:22 am
Newsgroups: rec.gambling.poker
Local: Fri, Dec 6 2002 8:10 am
Subject: Re: Daniel Responds...

>I believe this would be called a first hand post signed by .a person. Daniel knew that UB had no intention of paying $250k to the winner of this one table
>tourney. He decided not to be involved in this deception.

>Kudos to him.
>Randy Collack

I have no idea what this thread is about. However I will say that I personally
know of two head up poker matches that received a lot of publicity, where the
amount played for was far, far less than what was advertised. One of these
matches occurred about eight years ago. The other was well before that. The
same guy was involved in both matches. One of his opponents has a pretty honest
reputation and would surprise many of you. The other opponent is considered to
be so squeaky clean that even Russ G wouldn't believe it if I told him who it
was. Both these fellows probably wondered whether I knew of their shenanigans.
The little information I gave here is probably enough for them to realize it is
them I am speaking of . But in spite of the fact that in at least one case I
have good reason to "expose" him, the fact is I won't. At least not until my
death whereupon a note in my safe deposit box will be read. "

Poster Groan responds withe answers:

Newsgroups: rec.gambling.poker
From: GROAN <mystomachhu...@ouch.com>
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 17:51:17 GMT
Local: Fri, Dec 6 2002 1:51 pm
Subject: Re: Daniel Responds...

On 06 Dec 2002 12:10:37 GMT, dsklan...@aol.com (Dsklansky) wrote:
>I have no idea what this thread is about. However I will say that I personally
>know of two head up poker matches that received a lot of publicity, where the
>amount played for was far, far less than what was advertised. One of these
>matches occurred about eight years ago. The other was well before that. The
>same guy was involved in both matches. One of his opponents has a pretty honest
>reputation and would surprise many of you. The other opponent is considered to
>be so squeaky clean that even Russ G wouldn't believe it if I told him who it
>was. Both these fellows probably wondered whether I knew of their shenanigans.
>The little information I gave here is probably enough for them to realize it is
>them I am speaking of . But in spite of the fact that in at least one case I
>have good reason to "expose" him, the fact is I won't. At least not until my
>death whereupon a note in my safe deposit box will be read.

I love it how these famous Cardplayer writers like to HINT at things
so obviously so others do the dirty work of naming names while they
can deny ever coming out with information. Thought you were better
than Yellow Danny Boy is Sklansky, but I guess not. I also like to
guess because of how much it seems to piss of Wayno and Badger to do
so, and what is more fun than that?
Bob Stupak and Russ Hamilton (!) played a heads up match for a Travel
chanel TV show on Vegas that looked decidedly fake in the enthusiasm.
Even when I watched it years ago for the first time I thought it was
fake. That would be the first match.
ORAC, Mike Caro's computer program, would fit the squeaky clean image
part, and it played a much publicized heads up match. Was Bob Stupak
the opponent? If so, well that fills out the rest of the puzzle.
Course the three of them didn't come to me and sign an affidavit in
front of me and the Supreme Court Justices, so of course by Waynoian
Logic, we must not have the right to speculate about such things. So
I take it all back. "

The complete RGP thread- Daniel Responds...:

http://************/yveosf

Does anyone remember a player on UB called "NoPaddles"?

Can the people at MyPokerIntel look up that name?

I believe trambo has him on the list

nopaddles

Wins 89.6 bb/100 1500 hands last session 8/31
account no longer exists

I see the list now, thanks...

hahah awesome.

Lol, at least some humour can come out of this terrible situation. tks admo

It occurred to me that, with regards to the overarching theme of player concern over alleged "superusers," both at AP/UB and at large in the poker industry, and the statistical endeavor of providing convincing evidence of their use, it might be interesting to contact economist/writer Steven Levitt. As I understand, he is currently involved in a project involving poker, and he might find this of interest.

Ok, here is my post I made earlier today. I suggest you read this if you havent read it. Basically the emails i received from "Phil" regarding the alleged superusers were completely false, it was just some idiot posing as Phil for reasons I cant imagine.http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...d.php?t=103425

Here are all of the accounts in question.....

The accounts I brought up to phil were Ilike2win, utakeit2, flatbroke33, sleeplesss, nymobser, nopaddles, nionio and easychamp (whom we have good reason to believe that all of these accounts would occasionally dump money to, however we need all hh's of these players to confirm). There is also a player by the name of monizzle whom we are not sure + I forgot to mention to Phil anyway. I suggest whoever has access to http://www.mypokerintel.com should look into these accounts. They all stop playing within 3 weeks of each other. THey all have very high winrates and their if you look at their past sessions its UNBELIEVABLE. THey never have any losing sessions. Its not humanly possibly. Phil said that if these accounts are found to be under 1 name then there is a very good chance something was going on and he assured me UB will handle it responsibly. He stressed how in the AP scandal, things were handled so poorly that UB understands the reprcussions if they dont handle this properly which is why he assured me to try and trust UB right now but also to be a little patient. Overall he was very friendly on the phone and very helpful. I look forward to working with him to resolve the rest of this matte

although i know this could mean almost nothing at all, its good to hear.

I don't have the time to look into this stuff to the same level that I spent on the AP things, but I did get some info today that I found to be interesting.

-The nionio account was changed to nymobser.
-The nopaddles account was changed to sleeplesss.
-The changes were made on the same day.

Nice find, as time goes on a lot of people will find out more things and bust UB. Very smart people here at 2+2.

oh snap

Holy **** that is huge huge info. That basically links several of the alleged accounts together. Thanks nat, keep us updated if you receieve anything new

Angrymoog-- I did email pokernomics a couple days ago but have not heard anything back.

U combine nopaddles and sleepless and u gets stats of approximately 94 bb/100 for 3k hands with 26 straight winning sessions... 0 losing.

Question: to what extent is the management at UB different from the management at AP?

What is the reasoning for including easychamp?