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He probably would have said that if he meant that. His words: "Also i think your turn bet while stnd vs 95% of hsnlers, is pretty terrible vs krantz w/ these stacks."

i dunno why you're so sure he meant NOT to bet turn, period. that sentence can easily be interpreted to mean "i think [the size of] your turn bet ... is pretty terrible vs krantz."

03-21-2009 , 01:45 AM

#202

FionnMac

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it's pretty clear that durrr meant not betting the turn with these stacks is advisable vs krantz, and that he wasn't referring to bet sizing.

03-21-2009 , 06:36 AM

#203

CitizenJames

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Yeah, doesn't seem all that debatable to me.

03-21-2009 , 12:22 PM

#204

rand

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CitizenJames

Yeah, doesn't seem all that debatable to me.

that may be, and i think i remember this now. i also think that it is debatable that durrrr still thinks that and / or that the general consensus is that as well

twp was the most clear person on advocating a turn bet imo and i think he is right, for me the hand should be played (assuming we smooth flop) as:
call flop
bet / bet turn or bet / call CR
and call non club river shove (though this is not the best river Im still in there like swimwear)

03-21-2009 , 12:25 PM

#205

rand

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CitizenJames

Obviously, but I think krantz's c/r range here is more weighted towards airballs than semi bluffs, and the equity gained from folding out QsJx and whatnot does not make up for the equity lost when krantz shoves the river anyways after missing (and I strongly disagree with alaei that krantz is checking most of his airballs / missed draws considering he isn't really expecting us to fold most of our made range/non floats on the turn in the first place to the c/r when his line appears so damn fishy, so more of a setup to the homerun river imo).

the bold i disagree with / dont think that even if it were true it would mean you should shove turn

and the italics i agree with

for me both your statement arnt true, if they were i think you would be right (i like the line that you are recommending [unless it involves checking the turn the first time through])

03-21-2009 , 01:47 PM

#206

LuckyfishZ

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geez how did you get so deep ?

03-21-2009 , 06:21 PM

#207

icebreaker

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Great bump, ty.

07-05-2009 , 11:38 AM

#208

i have no edge

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is it me or does it look like team cardrunners and team dc are trying to level each other itt

07-06-2009 , 05:54 PM

#209

Arnz18

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agree team DC 1 team cardrunners 0

08-09-2009 , 11:19 AM

#210

LuckyStraights

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CitizenJames

I remember reading this thread before I had even bothered registering under 2p2 and not understanding why durrr was against betting the turn.

Perhaps what durrr was getting at was to avoid allowing Krantz to build a pot , leaving hero to decide whether he's calling or folding to a river shove.

If hero checks the turn, it will be a much easier call on the river, due to the smaller pot size.

Only thing I can think to add.

08-09-2009 , 01:29 PM

#211

IamPro

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Sick hand, sick thread

08-09-2009 , 02:21 PM

#212

crookedhat99

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"Taylor, Jman28, Durrrr, Krantz, whitelime, ansky, genius28, bldswtrs, Daniel Alaei, foxwoodsfiend, ike, mastr have all posted in this thread. Why does this never happen anymore?"-kb24

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Originally Posted by NoahSD

You're not entitled to these people's opinions for free.

Still, pretty awesome bump.

That doesn't make it any less sad

08-09-2009 , 09:32 PM

#213

oldjude

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I find it very interesting that durrrr thinks a turn bet against Krantz is awful but he would raise flop almost 100% of the time.
I think a flop raise against most competent aggro regs seems pretty standard.

08-09-2009 , 09:43 PM

#214

PLAYOFFS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by oldjude

that was in 2007

08-10-2009 , 02:59 PM

#215

oldjude

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PLAYOFFS

that was in 2007

durrrr, Krantz and TC were still a lot better in 07 than i am now

12-05-2009 , 10:11 AM

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Qofcards

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Belive this diserves a BUMP.

12-05-2009 , 10:41 AM

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DOG IS HEAD

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Quote:

Originally Posted by oldjude

durrrr, Krantz and TC were still a lot better in 07 than i am now

lol, you couldn't be more wrong. they may have been better adjusted to their own games in that time than you'd be (i.e., he'd be able to decipher and play out his own hands better than you'd be able to play his hands), but chances are if you played them any heads up vs them in the past you'd crush them. its just the evolution of poker.

Last edited by DOG IS HEAD; 12-05-2009 at 10:45 AM. Reason: hell, you don't even have to go back in time to crush taylor

12-05-2009 , 02:07 PM

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jlocdog

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DOG IS HEAD

A good read....http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...fpart=all&vc=1

12-07-2009 , 01:17 PM

#219

RERAISE5823

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jlocdog

A good read....http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...fpart=all&vc=1

I'm definitely not good enough or smart enough to refute/crush limon's post, but something tells me DIH is

12-07-2009 , 02:24 PM

#220

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jlocdog

A good read....http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...fpart=all&vc=1

i change by not changing at all...

12-07-2009 , 05:46 PM

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Shandrax

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aejones

man, this thread just makes me realize how horribad everyone is.

I am just a railbird, but I had the exact same impression. This whole hand reminds me of this epic Harrington quote

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When I hear someone telling a story about how he shrewdly laid down middle set after some intricate chain of reasoning convinced him he was beaten, my quick (but silent) reaction is "Idiot".

Last edited by Shandrax; 12-07-2009 at 05:52 PM.