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Another day - another **** promotion from Pokerstars.
Last time they had the $5 1 million Spins nobody even won one. So they rake millions from players and nobody hits one again?
I wonder why? Hmm, maybe because they change the probability from 1 in 3.33 million to 1 in 10 million. How about just make it 1 in 1 billion next time. Let people just hit 2x spins and collect all that sweet rake.
Absolute joke.

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11-08-2016 , 07:20 AM

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betterlol

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^ Spins are a scam. Period.

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11-08-2016 , 07:22 AM

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squire1888

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Originally Posted by EmilioChekshevez

^ yep the quick pull of the 5$ spins seems like fkn BS to me.

And there obv isn't enough liquidity at the higher limits for a 10000x. How many 600k's have hit? One in 1.5+ years right?

2 600ks this year #gpro

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11-09-2016 , 01:00 PM

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CheckN0rris

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If the Jackpot hit or not should not really matter, as long as the odds are fair.

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11-09-2016 , 02:20 PM

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Gramps

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That and a truly random seating algorithm. Not trying to be paranoid, just always found it strange that they've never said it's truly random (when asked directly, avoiding the question/being vague multiple times).

Always been curious if there's a subtle wrinkle or two worked in to skew things a tad in their interest's favor.

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11-09-2016 , 06:12 PM

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Codecci

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I wonder if some smaller site could get into financial trouble if RNG gives out too many jackpots, or could they possibly run really hot for some time, not give out couple million in jackpots, then wrap Spins from their site and keep the extra money?

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11-09-2016 , 07:46 PM

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coon74

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Any gambling venue has 'bankroll management' too. As soon as its capital falls below a certain threshold, it will immediately stop offering the highest stake (but will keep others).

That said, I suspect that each top-15 gambling site is rich enough to offer spins with a $1M top prize with no problems, and will be in the near future. They're rich enough to offer high stake slot games, which have much bigger variance for them than jackpot SnGs. The main issue with poker is demand (traffic), not supply (of prize money).

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11-09-2016 , 08:14 PM

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ChicagoRy

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As long as they are offering the same published odds at all times, it doesn't matter when they quit. It's like a player deciding to quit after winning 3 buyins, he hasn't stumbled upon a foolproof way to profit.

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11-10-2016 , 03:54 AM

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Duncelanas

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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy

Well it's a pretty foolproof way to profit if he never plays again

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11-10-2016 , 12:48 PM

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ChicagoRy

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If he's a winner he'll always be expected to profit more as he continues to play. Just as Stars would be since they're an EV winner with every spin n go that launches.

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11-10-2016 , 01:11 PM

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Codecci

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Yeah that's true. But the announced rake is 'expected' rake and can be more or less than announced based on variance, right? So in theory if some smaller site runs really good w/ RNG and only has Spins for short time, they can have announced rake of 5% but actual rake of 15%

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11-10-2016 , 01:27 PM

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coon74

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In a casino slot game, the announced return to player is also only an 'expected' one and the RTP observed in reality doesn't need to be totally equal to the announced one - even RNG testing companies allow it to deviate within 0.1% in a month even for fixed-payout (non-progressive) slots. This doesn't make certified casino slots illegitimate.

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11-10-2016 , 02:33 PM

#5288

Codecci

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I don't think anything is wrong with that, just random observation

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11-10-2016 , 02:54 PM

#5289

betterlol

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I would be super surprised if the 1 million spins are random events.

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11-10-2016 , 03:21 PM

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ChicagoRy

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Originally Posted by betterlol

I would be super surprised if the 1 million spins are random events.

The lizard people likely control it.

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11-11-2016 , 01:13 AM

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Duncelanas

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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy

If he's a winner he'll always be expected to profit more as he continues to play. Just as Stars would be since they're an EV winner with every spin n go that launches.

Of course. But it's still a foolproof way to profit!

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11-11-2016 , 01:44 AM

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betterlol

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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy

The lizard people likely control it.

Bazoov is supposedly no longer with Pokerstars, no?

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12-01-2016 , 01:49 PM

#5293

FLIPandStack

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Hello guys

Could someone tell me where to find competent coach for 30$+ spins?

Price doesn't matter if he can justify it with added value

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12-10-2016 , 02:24 PM

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sheeprustler

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Does anyone think 90 chip ev is possible at the 15s? Say, 3 tabling as opposed to 4-5 tabling.

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12-10-2016 , 06:18 PM

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acbarone

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I would say yes, but the players who are able to achieve it are better off playing higher

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12-11-2016 , 08:07 AM

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RonaldoVamos

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would be a good BET over 4000 games 90 CHIP EV or even 100! Best CAN? ACB GO FOR IT!!!!

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12-12-2016 , 07:23 AM

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sheeprustler

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Originally Posted by acbarone

I would say yes, but the players who are able to achieve it are better off playing higher

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Originally Posted by RonaldoVamos

would be a good BET over 4000 games 90 CHIP EV or even 100! Best CAN? ACB GO FOR IT!!!!

Thanks for the reply guys.

Grunching, from experience, I would say that 4000 games wouldn't be enough of a sample.

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12-12-2016 , 03:54 PM

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squire1888

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if u could get 4k games at any stake thats a pretty reliable sample 3 tablin for 4k games for sure will show u a pretty accurate reading of what to expect

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12-12-2016 , 04:22 PM

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sheeprustler

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Originally Posted by squire1888

if u could get 4k games at any stake thats a pretty reliable sample 3 tablin for 4k games for sure will show u a pretty accurate reading of what to expect

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Going on my own results I find that my CEV over 2k blocks can be fairly variable.