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04-21-2024 , 09:44 PM
April has been an absolute grind. About 500 games running basically 0 CEV. Things turned over the last 200ish games with CEV up to about 80 over that span...but chips won over that time is actually negative. I'm now running 30,000 chips below EV.

Honestly, the run bad in EV for 500 games bothers me more than running below EV.

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05-18-2024 , 11:14 AM


Keep waiting for it to improve but it never does. Now sitting at 40,000 chips below EV.
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05-26-2024 , 02:32 AM
I studied, trained and watched videos, and now I absolutely crush 0,25c
What poker room would you guys recommend for 1$ spins? GG, Pokerstars, PartyPoker or iPoker?
Consider I have 35% rakeback on GG for a month, plus the leaderboard... But isn't the field much tougher?
Appreciate any analysis of the rooms for the micros, plus analysis of rakeback etc
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05-26-2024 , 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ReySkywalker7
I studied, trained and watched videos, and now I absolutely crush 0,25c
What poker room would you guys recommend for 1$ spins? GG, Pokerstars, PartyPoker or iPoker?
Consider I have 35% rakeback on GG for a month, plus the leaderboard... But isn't the field much tougher?
Appreciate any analysis of the rooms for the micros, plus analysis of rakeback etc
Honestly the room you choose isn't that big of a consideration when you're playing anything below $5 IMO, even if there are some regs at $1 or $2 they will be very bad, best is just to see what the rb% you can achieve is, the format (GG format has 15bb starts for example so winrate is much more capped in that way), check the rake also. I'd guess pokerstars or partypoker maybe best options, at this stage you should be studying a bunch with an aim to move up ASAP
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05-26-2024 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ReySkywalker7
I studied, trained and watched videos, and now I absolutely crush 0,25c
What poker room would you guys recommend for 1$ spins? GG, Pokerstars, PartyPoker or iPoker?
Consider I have 35% rakeback on GG for a month, plus the leaderboard... But isn't the field much tougher?
Appreciate any analysis of the rooms for the micros, plus analysis of rakeback etc
If you want to play reg speeds then stars. If you don't mind playing flashes then gg or party. I would go gg because the traffic is high and plenty of recs at the smaller stakes.
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05-27-2024 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Xptboy
Actually you can quite easily find the results of everyone in an EV pool such as steel phoenix or hyperschool by using the spinlead app/software. The pools consist of thousands of players from micro to highstakes so should give a good idea of what type of results are achievable.

These are the results for stars.com for the past 12 months.



But you need to remember that basically all the stars players are getting tons of RB on spins. I don't play spins anymore and don't plan to but I remember my best month was $28k by grinding 8k games in a month with like 35ish cev on 100s and getting 2x$8k 40% RB challenge (and cheap black chests for a while coz I just started grinding on stars again then) a bit over a year ago. In a standard month I'd grind 4k games for 1 of the challenges and if I broke even in money with say 20-30ish cev or whatever it'd still be a good $8-15k.

So yeah I'd say there's still money to be made in spins and always will be. Not too sure I'd enjoy the whole lobby system at highstakes or the fact that the only way to get a good spins education is by joining a stable or the fact it's probably the most repetitive form of poker and (probably) the easiest for humans to memorize GTO-wise, and mainly about good volume at some point but yeah, pros and cons to everything I guess. If you have good work ethic and discipline spins is prolly one of the easiest ways to make a good living in poker.

I made some calculations with the results in that image.
You can win like 10 times the amount of money if you have the average winrate of 5 dollar normal spins, compared to playing turbo spins. I even considered that the player playing turbo spins could play double the amount of spins, and even then normal spins have 10x the profitability.
My results are much better in turbo spins, which means I have a lot to learn and study.
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05-27-2024 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ReySkywalker7
I made some calculations with the results in that image.
You can win like 10 times the amount of money if you have the average winrate of 5 dollar normal spins, compared to playing turbo spins. I even considered that the player playing turbo spins could play double the amount of spins, and even then normal spins have 10x the profitability.
My results are much better in turbo spins, which means I have a lot to learn and study.
I don't think you have calculated that how much rb makes you playing turbos that I assume you mean flashes? I think that pic is atleast a few years old you can use this https://www.resulthub.org/spin-result to check out the avg results. Fwiw saying you can make 10x the ammount playing regs compared to flashes is not even remotely accurate.
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07-25-2024 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ReySkywalker7
I studied, trained and watched videos, and now I absolutely crush 0,25c
What poker room would you guys recommend for 1$ spins? GG, Pokerstars, PartyPoker or iPoker?
Consider I have 35% rakeback on GG for a month, plus the leaderboard... But isn't the field much tougher?
Appreciate any analysis of the rooms for the micros, plus analysis of rakeback etc
I’ve played medium micro up through medium stakes on both Stars and Party. Aesthetically Stars is always better and there are more players on stars so more games running. I switched to Party however because I like their take back system better.
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08-03-2024 , 12:11 PM
Getting hard to stay motivated to play. Running a CEV of about 60 over 3100 games and am currently running over 43,000 chips below EV. I have been running below EV consistently over the last 2000 tournaments, and it just keeps getting worse and worse - over the last 630 tournaments I ran a CEV of about 60 (38,000 chips) but only won about 2000 chips over that time. I really have to start looking for a pool...

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08-29-2024 , 08:42 PM
Hi guys, two situations that I have doubt.
x10 prize, first and second are ITM.

3players 10bb
SB move all-in, bb have 44, call or fold?

3 players 15bb
SB mini raise QKo, bb move all-in, call or fold?
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08-29-2024 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by polezipoker
Hi guys, two situations that I have doubt.
x10 prize, first and second are ITM.

3players 10bb
SB move all-in, bb have 44, call or fold?

3 players 15bb
SB mini raise QKo, bb move all-in, call or fold?
both very easy calls, first situation you can call any pp, second even KTo
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09-09-2024 , 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by polezipoker
Hi guys, two situations that I have doubt.
x10 prize, first and second are ITM.

3players 10bb
SB move all-in, bb have 44, call or fold?

3 players 15bb
SB mini raise QKo, bb move all-in, call or fold?
If this is a limit where villains are generally making good decisions then I am ok with calling on both.

If this a limit where villains are not really trying to win at poker I fold 1st hand make my decision on second based upon how aggressive opponent is.
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11-30-2024 , 08:26 PM
Does anyone know the approximate rakeback for the highest tier platinum on gg? What;s the PVI penalty for spins?
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12-03-2024 , 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Adgey
Does anyone know the approximate rakeback for the highest tier platinum on gg? What;s the PVI penalty for spins?
Without any aff deals probably something like 70-80. And the pvi is 0.1 for most of the regs.
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12-16-2024 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by polezipoker
Hi guys, two situations that I have doubt.
x10 prize, first and second are ITM.

3players 10bb
SB move all-in, bb have 44, call or fold?

3 players 15bb
SB mini raise QKo, bb move all-in, call or fold?
As other dude said these are easy calls. The only "exception" I might make is if I am playing a super tight player who is not jamming anything but Ax and pp butt here are few and easy to spot...the ones who below 10bb fold to any jam unless they have AJ+
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12-16-2024 , 04:12 PM
Well, I've been back to playing regularly for a year and things have gone well money wise and ev wise, but not in chips won. For the year I am running ~60 CEV in $10 spins but am running ~80 wins below EV. Over the year I have had 1 month (November) where I ran above EV for a whopping 1,300 chips above EV. In every other month I have come no where near winning at EV. This month has been absolutely horrible. I am currently running 13,000 chips below EV and have had 7 massive losing streaks over 600 tournaments, and my CEV which has been averaging between 70 and 80 for most of the year has dropped to 50.

I feel like my EV is being pulled down by my horrific luck. I mean, so often I am losing so many flips early in tournaments that I never really get a chance to build EV. Like today I open jammed 44 in the SB for 400 chips and lost to the BB who called with 5-8o. So from that I got an EV of about 38 chips but am out of the game and can't win anymore. It happens so often, evident by how badly I am running below EV.

This is the Christmas present spins has given me!

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12-17-2024 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by silky28
Well, I've been back to playing regularly for a year and things have gone well money wise and ev wise, but not in chips won. For the year I am running ~60 CEV in $10 spins but am running ~80 wins below EV. Over the year I have had 1 month (November) where I ran above EV for a whopping 1,300 chips above EV. In every other month I have come no where near winning at EV. This month has been absolutely horrible. I am currently running 13,000 chips below EV and have had 7 massive losing streaks over 600 tournaments, and my CEV which has been averaging between 70 and 80 for most of the year has dropped to 50.

I feel like my EV is being pulled down by my horrific luck. I mean, so often I am losing so many flips early in tournaments that I never really get a chance to build EV. Like today I open jammed 44 in the SB for 400 chips and lost to the BB who called with 5-8o. So from that I got an EV of about 38 chips but am out of the game and can't win anymore. It happens so often, evident by how badly I am running below EV.

This is the Christmas present spins has given me!
Mate you don't even run that bad. From gg spins at worst I was close to 700 bins under.

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12-20-2024 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ImePaskaa
Mate you don't even run that bad. From gg spins at worst I was close to 700 bins under.

Based on my flimsy math it seems that you are running about 10% below EV whereas I am running 20% below EV...

Honestly, running below EV doesn't bother me that much. It only really bothers me in that I have run below EV in every single format of poker I have played. What bothers me, as I said in the last post, is that I constantly lose big flips. Liken when I'm on the BB with 20bb effective, button raises, I jam and get called by Q-10, KJ, QJ etc. hands where I am slightly good. I lose these, am out and do not get the opportunity to boost up my CEV.
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12-20-2024 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by silky28
Based on my flimsy math it seems that you are running about 10% below EV whereas I am running 20% below EV...

Honestly, running below EV doesn't bother me that much. It only really bothers me in that I have run below EV in every single format of poker I have played. What bothers me, as I said in the last post, is that I constantly lose big flips. Liken when I'm on the BB with 20bb effective, button raises, I jam and get called by Q-10, KJ, QJ etc. hands where I am slightly good. I lose these, am out and do not get the opportunity to boost up my CEV.
The fock are you talking about 10% vs 20% rofl. You are less than 100 bins under ev and keep crying about that mate when I was close to 600 bins in that graph. Good luck when the shite really hits the fan.
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12-22-2024 , 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ImePaskaa
The fock are you talking about 10% vs 20% rofl. You are less than 100 bins under ev and keep crying about that mate when I was close to 600 bins in that graph. Good luck when the shite really hits the fan.
You have an of EV 2,120,000 chips and have actually won 1,920,000 chips.

1,920,000 / 2,120,000 = .9056 or 90.56%

That means you have won about 91% of the chips you should have over that span of hands. Sure, itÂ’s over a much larger span than mine which is about 4,000 tournaments, but that doesnÂ’t change the fact that I have won 80% of the chips I should have and you have won 90%. Ie you have run better than me in relationship of EV to Chips won.
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12-28-2024 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by silky28
You have an of EV 2,120,000 chips and have actually won 1,920,000 chips.

1,920,000 / 2,120,000 = .9056 or 90.56%

That means you have won about 91% of the chips you should have over that span of hands. Sure, itÂ’s over a much larger span than mine which is about 4,000 tournaments, but that doesnÂ’t change the fact that I have won 80% of the chips I should have and you have won 90%. Ie you have run better than me in relationship of EV to Chips won.
Imagine having the gall to suggest you're running worse than someone running >500bi below ev over a sample 20x the size of yours because you've cherrypicked a ratio over your 4k game sample.

Ime has certainly had multiple 4k game samples with worse runs than you're having to wind up with that sort of graph.

If you want to succeed in spins, you have to do better than this. Absurd.
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01-11-2025 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Duncelanas
Imagine having the gall to suggest you're running worse than someone running >500bi below ev over a sample 20x the size of yours because you've cherrypicked a ratio over your 4k game sample.

Ime has certainly had multiple 4k game samples with worse runs than you're having to wind up with that sort of graph.

If you want to succeed in spins, you have to do better than this. Absurd.
First off, its difficult to tell what he has done because he posted a fragment of his chart. Second, based on what he did post, he is running about 20,000 chips below EV so I do not know how that equates to 500 buy-ins below EV.

Nevertheless, in one year (2024) or 7,141 tournaments, I ran 160 buy-ins below EV and I am doing it with more than double dude's CEV.

Define succeed in spins? is it succeeding to win money playing? Then I have succeeded. Or is it success to run well in CEV? I'm sitting at about 70 CEV at $10 level. The only thing I do not succeed at, in spins, MTTs, cash and sit-n-go is running anywhere near EV.

Ultimately I was able to make money despite running so poorly because of rake back and leaderboard bonuses. Since September the rake-back was slashed significantly and starting in the new year the leaderboard promo is gone. Without these perks, running as I do...
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01-13-2025 , 07:14 AM
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Cheers mate.
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10-07-2025 , 12:55 PM
What's the largest spin you've ever won?

My largest was a 25x on WSOP on a $2 spin. It's nice to get a large spin on WSOP because you're likely to win the leaderboard too when you get it.
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