It would be interesting to follow, so if u think u can motivate yourself, go for it and start that challenge
Taking a month off from w/e you do apart from poker to make 5 figure income and supply the community with an interesting challenge seems worth it.

spin4play just did 20K games at $100 's in 2 months with 3.2% EV ROI, why would anyone bet against someone doing 10K a month at $15 's with 5% EV ROI?

what about 20k 30s?

Maybe b/c the contestant is weaker than spins4play? Funny how ppl think it's simple w/o anyone actually doing it.
Also even if so: Just give reasonable odds.

Wasn't he also pretty much unknown before the bet? Spinlyzer says he has played about ~ 8,700 games before march w/ Spin ROI of 3.9%.

Idk, but I'm pretty sure u guys underestimate what it takes to grind out very high volume constantly.

Ppl get sick, exhausted or have different private problems that cause bad focus. There might be appointments you can't just pass, there might be other duties you can't delay. Internet downtimes may happen, equipment may fail, and countless other bad things may happen.
All while you have to make tons of decisions in very short time. Not saying it's not possible, it obv would be quite an easy thing for strong regs, but saying every lolreg can just print at 15s with 10k games/month - or even that: "No offense to him, but if he could do it, than absolutely everybody can do it with the proper motivation." - just, lol.
Just ask Mecastyles about it, he might confirm grinding high volumes not simple tho he has an ego comparable to Ibrahimovic it seems, so prob will be like "not simple - for everyone but me"

If you make a public propbet like that and you're relatively unknown, and you want decent bets from non-droolers, you have to do something which almost nobody else can do.

My friends and people who know me well would probably lay me decent odds that I can't play 100K hands of 25NL in a month since I suck alot at volume, but when I would make a public propbet like that people would laugh me out.

Okay, go! I promise I won't laugh. I wonder why u just ignore the possibility to adjust everything by odds btw.

As this Sunday isn't 'special' in terms of the MTT schedule, I guess that Sunday Million Spin & Gos are going to appear every non-COOP week from now on, from Friday to 16:45 ET on Sunday (i.e. they're going to be removed 15 minutes before the end of the late reg. for SM, like in the previous run of such spins).

Also, let me repeat that it would be interesting to have $10 (or $25) Spin & Go satellites to Super Tuesday, Thursday Thrill and Sunday Grand (in rotation depending on the day of the week) or just awarding a generic $1050 ticket as the top prize.

Well we were talking about the potential of 100s players dropping to 15s full time, not just for a month.

I think a 4% ROI guy at 100s probably could get $50 an hour at 15s thinking about it a bit more, but realise you're talking about like 30 regs out of thousands here. A 2% ROI guy at the 100s could not IMO. And if you have 4% roi at 100s there's very little reason to do it unless you just HAVE to make at least a couple of thousand usd that month.

As for $100 an hour at 15s, I'm confident there's no player alive today who could do that. No one can make $2 a game at 15s - I.e an ROI of 13.3% post rakeback - playing 50 games an hour. Hell I'm not convinced there's anyone who could get 13.3% ROI long term even 2 tabling. That's 90 chips a game - no one has ever got that over a large sample.

Hey guys how long do you usually play spins without taking a break? And how long your avg break lasts?

what is the relationship between net expected chips won and ROI? What does your actual chips won relate to?

After subtracting the rake it's roughly 5 chips = 1% ROI.

5% rake is 26 chips and 6% rake is 32 chips.

Really? I thought 5% = 0.05 * 500 = 25 chips, how do you get 26?

'The rule of 5' is just a simple approximation, much like 'the rule of 4' relating odds and outs.

The exact (and slightly clumsier) formulas are:

5% rake:
EVROI = 0.19 * chipEV - 5
chipEV = (EVROI + 5) / 0.19

6% rake:
EVROI = 0.188 * chipEV - 6
chipEV = (EVROI + 6) / 0.188

7% rake:
EVROI = 0.186 * chipEV - 7
chipEV = (EVROI + 7) / 0.186

8% rake:
EVROI = 0.184 * chipEV - 8
chipEV = (EVROI + 8) / 0.184

I agree that the 'gods' of spins are more compelled to stay where they 'belong' skillwise, i.e. 100s.

Dropping down is a good idea for those with chipEV ~ 40 at 100s - their chance of never going bankrupt is >90% if they have a $13K roll, but they're better off playing 60s where they'd be making the same $4/game and $120/hr incl. 30% rakeback (assuming chipEV ~ 55 there) with lower risk.

Furthermore, even though they'd be making merely $108/hr = $3.6/game * 45 games/hr by 6-tabling 30s (chipEV ~ 65; I've added 20 chips due to the increased softness but subtracted 10 to account for the table load increase), going there would be a better idea than staying at 60s from the risk management point of view.

I doubt a 40 CEV reg at 100s would get 55 CEV on 60s. Seems to be about the same reg:rec ratio on both stakes and while the 100s regs will be better, does it really account for a 15 CEV difference?

Though I've never played 60s or 100s (and thus don't pay for Spinlyzer for those stakes), so the above might be complete bollocks. Just based the reg:rec ratio off both 60s and 100s having the same number of 0 reg and 1 reg games on the Spinlyzer home page.

Think you are overestimating, 65chip ev at 30s while 6tabling? Too good to be true imo

acrabotbarone has 67cpg @60s 6 tabling last time i checked 'last 6k games' ev leaderboard

10k games @ 5% id expect him to get if he was on crank lol 7% + @ 15s 10k in a month or gtfo imo id really like to see it done at 30s/60s tho

100s have more fish than 60s fwiw (emo)

I can't understand why it's even possible

I thought there are enough overrolled regs who made a fortune in hyper HU / STT in the pre-spin era and are now compelled to mix $100 spins into the grind in absence of $200+ ones with a lack of fish in non-spin HS SNGs.

I was getting that in the SpinWiz days, pretty sure I wouldn't break 60 cEV now. All my results though are at least 6-tabling -- for about 4 months I was playing a 10-12 SNGs in addition to 4-tabling Spins.

Pretty sure I'd do a prop for 7%/$15s if there was enough interest (i.e. money bet against me) and the odds were decent. We're getting OT here, my original point was:

1) There's a glut of regs with sub 2% ROIs in $60s/$100s
2) Who I think would be better off moving down to avoid the (strong) possibility for negative variance
3) Even if that meant sacrificing a slight difference in EV hourly

LOL no, if Stars outlawed Spin staking groups, the # of regs in $60s/100 Spins would shrink down to a handful.

Haha, don't tempt me to jump from 15s straight to 100s next year

Perhaps the main reason why regs are underrolled for 100s is that they don't like to delay real-life gratification

ur still 6tabling??? pretty low volume if so, recently

Yeah it's a combination of moving/traveling a lot recently + spending time on the MTT stable.



Regardless, I'm hopeful that changes in June once I'm fully settled into downtown Vancouver. Prob will offer some volume related freerolls in my thread

67 cpg at 60s while 6 tabling? Gahd damn!