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11-19-2015 , 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Thrash370
I like this
great concept, perfect name!
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11-19-2015 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by alexrjl
"We've just added even more 10x wins to our Spin and Go prize structure, meaning you're more likely than ever before to spin big and win!" on the other hand...
"We've also reduced the frequencies of 4x-6x tourneys in favour of 2x, in order to cover our future marketing costs, because 98% of you don't care much about <10x anyway"
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11-20-2015 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by coon74
"We've also reduced the frequencies of 4x-6x tourneys in favour of 2x, in order to cover our future marketing costs, because 98% of you don't care much about <10x anyway"
is the bolded perhaps the most incorrect statement itt?

isnt the reason they are like crack the release of dopamine when participants spin a 10x? (or anything other than a 2 really)
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11-20-2015 , 02:16 AM
also i think you are underestimating how much of the
[over $150 billion] stars has bragged theyve raked from spin and gos
has come from people who will continue playing them in the upcoming year and would happily snap switch to another reputable network with better paytables.


stars already created the widespread demand, now the market is primed and waiting for one of 2 qualifying name brands to step in and add 50% to their 2017 earnings projections for the cost of impeccable servers and a few hundred grand of programming

???,??? cost of designing 888s version of variable payout shorthanded hyperturbo sit and gos

?,???,??? cost of upgrading 888s servers to avoid the issues theyve experienced in the last 18 months

$20,000,000 additional rake from a currently unavaialbe format if they generate 20% of stars traffic and charge 60% of stars rake

(the first being entirely dependent on the second imo. i dont believe any network with any type of unrealistic advertising budget would attract that many people on the same payouts they can already get at stars)


and that $20m sum relative to 888s $50m 2013 net income (wikipedia) is far from trivial. ...and it dosent address all beneficial secondary effects (new sign ups, boosted brand recognition, increaced revenues from existing sports betting, tournament, and cash game offerings)


imo, the only logical explanation for 888 not already acting on this opportunity is that they already are and they will be rolled out ideally immediately after an upgraded client is revealed and upgraded server stability has been established

Last edited by 22riverrat22; 11-20-2015 at 02:23 AM.
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11-20-2015 , 06:12 PM
coon74 is a quite a character
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11-21-2015 , 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 22riverrat22
[over $150 Million] stars has bragged theyve raked from spin and gos
that was a pretty significant typo lol
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11-21-2015 , 02:41 PM
Mirrion hit again now 47 mins. At $5 or $100?
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11-21-2015 , 04:43 PM
Koovoon is a HS grinder so very likely a $100.
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11-21-2015 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Koovoon is a HS grinder so very likely a $100.
Yh he's a student of mine, was at 100s.
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11-21-2015 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeeyay
Yh he's a student of mine, was at 100s.
Congrats to both of you!



Rates for multiplier coaching?
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11-21-2015 , 08:19 PM
Subtle plug.
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11-22-2015 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Congrats to both of you!



Rates for multiplier coaching?
Thanks! i feel very heppy for him, as well as very jealous. Would me more fun if I won instead--or at least got a share Still amazing for him, he's a great guy--he was up at the poker retreat so got to meet him.

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not-so-subtle plug.
FYP
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11-23-2015 , 12:35 PM
UPDATED

The million $ tables that hit so far in chronological order:

20 oct - 5$ - Samara Lúcio (Brazil) defeated AA_MaKnO_AA (Lithuania) and struchalina (Russia)

22 oct - 100$ - wrawras (Brazil) defeated A13X_J0neS (Canada) and Sir.Whiteman (Hungary)

25 oct - 5$ - prophethicks (UK) defeated BARCA1CRIS (Romania) and snagon-nl (Netherlands)

26 oct - 100$ - barrakuuda4 (Estonia) defeated minargyuri (Hungary) and KvicKiller (Czech Republic)

27 oct - 5$ - handbt1 (Germany) defeated egg1981 (Bailiwick of Guernsey) and Lyuda1975 (Ukraine)

28 oct - 5$ - ifipushud325 (Australia) defeated ModusPonen7 (Germany) and FlyEko (Russia)

21 nov - 100$ - Koovoon (Canada) defeated AndyG1810 (Russia) and Play2win$1kk (Russia)
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11-23-2015 , 01:11 PM
How to check if you are beating these games using PT4?

What stats actually matter? I guess just net expected chips won matter or am I being too simplistic?

Sorry for noob questions, I dont play SNG.
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11-23-2015 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by WhySoSrs?
I guess just net expected chips won matter
You're right (well, almost, because your expected ITM may vary slightly at different multipliers, but the effect of this difference on the longterm $EV is negligible because high multipliers are very rare, correspond to only a few % of the buy-in, and it matters little for the EV per game whether you ship them 34% or 40% of the time).

Last edited by coon74; 11-23-2015 at 01:56 PM.
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11-24-2015 , 10:59 AM
Are expected chips won per tournament directly relatable to ITM %? If so by what equation.
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11-24-2015 , 11:06 AM
Win rate = (chips per game + 500) / 1500

ITM = win rate, assuming it is winner take all (there are small exceptions to this as coon74 describes above).
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11-24-2015 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Win rate = (chips per game + 500) / 1500

ITM = win rate, assuming it is winner take all (there are small exceptions to this as coon74 describes above).
I have always been confused by the chips per game calculation and track my performance by winning percentage, which as said volume should flatten out. This has also been easier to predict winning amounts in a spreadsheet, by using the winner percentage as the variable.

My question is what winning percentage are the best players achieving at the various levels? I am a good recreational player and have mainly played the 7d ones which is probably a bad choice as these are the highest buy in with the 6% rake.

So over almost 6,000 games my winning percentage is 37.55%, but I think that better players would be achieving higher rates - Is anyone willing to share their winning percentage over similar volumes and for what stakes?

This would help me understand where I am in the food chain!
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11-24-2015 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Graham_Stuart
I have always been confused by the chips per game calculation and track my performance by winning percentage, which as said volume should flatten out. This has also been easier to predict winning amounts in a spreadsheet, by using the winner percentage as the variable.

My question is what winning percentage are the best players achieving at the various levels? I am a good recreational player and have mainly played the 7d ones which is probably a bad choice as these are the highest buy in with the 6% rake.

So over almost 6,000 games my winning percentage is 37.55%, but I think that better players would be achieving higher rates - Is anyone willing to share their winning percentage over similar volumes and for what stakes?

This would help me understand where I am in the food chain!
As Max said, you should be using your expected chips won to calculate your expect winning percentage, and not your actual winning percentage, if you want an idea of what your true EV is. If 37.55% happens to be an accurate estimate of your true expected winning percentage, then you're doing well with an EVROI of [(2.82*0.3755) - 1 ] * 100% = 7.0175%. But notice how sensitive your EVROI is to your ITM: dropping even 1% in your ITM drops your EVROI by 2.82%, and dropping 2.5% in your ITM makes you break-even, so using actual ITM isn't so great. Your EVITM as calculated using chips > actual ITM because it converges to your true EVITM over a smaller sample. I'd say if your EVITM as calculated using chips is 37% you're doing alright and if it's 38% you're doing well. If it's 39% then you're kicking ass.
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11-24-2015 , 03:20 PM
this is my graph with after 3k games, ITM = 39.7%
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11-26-2015 , 10:12 AM
$5 Spins broken ?
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11-26-2015 , 10:13 AM
Anyone else having problems registering today? I get a popup saying "Not enough tickets".
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11-26-2015 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by darinvg
Anyone else having problems registering today? I get a popup saying "Not enough tickets".
Yep same here
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11-26-2015 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by darinvg
Anyone else having problems registering today? I get a popup saying "Not enough tickets".
Got the same one, was doing fine up until 15minutes ago.
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11-26-2015 , 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Thibavol
Got the same one, was doing fine up until 15minutes ago.
same 4 me
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