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View Poll Results: SO WHAT DO YOU THINK IS A REALISTIC ANNUAL EARNING OF AN "A" PLAYER GRINDING $1/$2NLHE?
LESS THAN $22K
396 12.72%
$22K TO $28K
455 14.62%
$28K TO $34K
506 16.26%
$34K TO $40K
529 17.00%
$40K TO $46K
296 9.51%
MORE THAN $46K
930 29.88%

10-06-2014 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ButterflySymmetry
Currently down -$801 playing 1/2.
Wish I wd hv played tourney now.

Just got moved to 2/5/10nl. Never gv up.

-$1,819 down so far in October
It's early in the month. No worries..

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10-06-2014 , 08:23 PM
SPOILER ALERT!
Saw your twitter post. Nice comeback today!!!
Tourney tomorrow?
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10-06-2014 , 11:07 PM
Typical roller coaster day. At first I was down $1k early, and then ran super gd on 2/5/10. Logged 7 hrs total.
Lost -$801 playing 1/2nl on 3.5hrs
Won +$2,151 playing 2/5/10 on 3.5hrs

Couple key hands on 2/5/10nl game that luckily went my way:
- dubbed up when i made it $70 to go on my straddle after 5 limps. Got limped/3bet by player to $170. Called the extra $100 w 10h8h. Flop comes top pair w flush draw for me. He leads out $300, and I shove $900 total. He calls. Flush never gets there, but pair of 10s gd. ...Mayb I didn't want the flush to get there.
- another hand I call $30 w 9c10c. After 4 calls of $30 short stack shoves $170. Folded around and I shove over the top to try to iso w just one player behind me to fade. I fig calling $140 to win $300 was a great price against many hands as long as he didn't have 99+. I eliminated top tier hands (JJ+) by the way he hesitantly tanked shoved, so I went w it. the last player behind me who called the previous $30 has $500 stack. That guy tank calls!!! I was lucky flopping a flush, and bricking out. They actually showed their hands KQ (short stack dude), other guy just shows K (I believe AK or KQ or KJ). They both had a pair of Kings < flush.

@isteal ur right. still a long month ahead.
@seamsclean Not sure tomorrow's plan.




With a big grin on my face, we in the black for October now +$332.
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10-06-2014 , 11:18 PM
Its a game of focus, patience, and well timed aggression. Congrats on a successful 2-5 nl session
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10-07-2014 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by tswpoker1
Familiarize yourself with M-value if you haven't already: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-ratio

Also +1 to what absherrj said above. If you have fold equity, then you should be focusing on plays that allow you to get the most value from your hand (ex: if a player is folding to a shove 70% of the time it is profitable to take this line). The less fold equity you have, the more importance the strength of you actual hand comes into play, because most likely you will have to play it to showdown to win the pot (ex: if a player is folding to a shove 20% of the time, it is not profitable to "make a play" on them, simply wait until you are ahead).

But most importantly, ALWAYS leave yourself outs.
Btw, thanks tswpoker1 and absherrj for advice!
To determine fold equity I shd b looking at stack size and bet size to c if shove, or not wd b profitable?

Please 2+2ers share any more tourney tips!! Anything u can think of!!!
I think I'm playing great in tourneys, but understand there r sm serious strategies that I may b lacking. I play it a lot like cash games, but realize I need to b paying attention to other things as well. I.e. Shoving ranges, call off ranges, etc.
mayb a podcast recommendation or more tips I can use for the main.

Only 74hrs 30mins to b fully prepared.

I may get some more practice in by playing today's tourney.
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10-07-2014 , 09:48 AM
Just remember, you can't reload in tournaments like cash tables, that's the most important aspect. Tournament chips are much, much, much more valuable, EVERY decision matters, don't auto-pilot.

Make the best decision every hand: pre-flop, flop, turn, river. Ask yourself "should i fold, call, or raise?"

You have all the abilities, just need to shift your mindset a little for tournaments.

Pressure and position. Always be applying pressure. Again, chips are more important in tournaments, so people are more inclined to play passive out of position.

Early: tight is right. Pick your battles and try to chip up. No flips!
Middle: adjust to table dynamic, you should have a good sense by now. If players are tight, punish them. If players are loose, punish them. Adjust - use your cash skills!!
Bubble: pressure, pressure, pressure!!! This is where stacks are made that will ultimately get you to the final table. If players are tight, they will be tighter. Even loose players tighten up, use this to your advantage.
Late: Depending on the structure, you may be close to push/fold. Rarely is calling ever correct. Again, all about table dynamic. Use your sense.

You are an outstanding player Ray, who has all of the necessary skill sets to win. Just remember, no mistakes!!! Whoever makes the least mistakes, will usually win the tournament. Think EVERY play, EVERY hand, EVERY move out. Study your opponents, and learn how to exploit each and every one of them.

But most important, have fun. GLGLGL

TSW
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10-07-2014 , 01:11 PM
Don't play like cash. Bro if u wanna b successful u need to STUDY. Font think bc u crush cash u will crush tourney bc there are differences u have to learn. If I buy in cash $100 I get $100 chips. Tourney my $100 gets me say T1000 chips. So I can't make plays off straight odds bc my chips don't equally correspond to dollar amounts.

U have to stay in game. U cannot get it in on coin flips early or middle game with big stack. Ur money isn't made making hands. Its made surviving to bubble s nd putting reads together to own table. Stealing blinds and antes are ur priority. U don't need to get it all in one hand. Be patient.

Likr ur J9 hand. If u win great, ur chip leader. But range villain. Is he ever bluffing? If not it flipping. Beng CL isn't worth being knocked out bc if u fold u still have enuf chips to run over table at upcoming bubble. Ppl suck at poker, let them make mistakes. We have edge. Let fish flip for it. There e will b plenty time for flips n marginal play. Before y he bubble isn't one

As u play more u recognize spots where a certain villain can't call no matter what, or u fold strong hand in MP bc u know button is jamming ATC but he has too many chips for u to call off. Its a game within a game. Some fish are dumb and will call your shove with QJs. Some nits won't call a short stack shove without top 3% hand. The onus on u to find out ranges. Who to tight, who to loose, and adjust. Always b adjusting. It wouldn't hurt u to plau SNG online bc u need bubble practice

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10-07-2014 , 03:19 PM
Appreciate all this great advice!!!

I am definitely using this knowledge during this event 6. Chipping up from 10k to currently 37k heading into level 7. Playing a lot of small ball so far.

Gl to Neal (HSI regular) at the final table of the six max today!
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10-07-2014 , 03:38 PM
GLGLGL Take it down!
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10-07-2014 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ButterflySymmetry
Appreciate all this great advice!!!

I am definitely using this knowledge during this event 6. Chipping up from 10k to currently 37k heading into level 7. Playing a lot of small ball so far.

Gl to Neal (HSI regular) at the final table of the six max today!
GL bro
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10-07-2014 , 04:32 PM
Just busted Q hi flush<K hi flush.

Starting to put together what I been reading on here. The tourney game is getting a lot better. Feel really gd going into the Main.

The cash list were miles long, so calling it a day.

-$33 in the hole for October.
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10-07-2014 , 04:49 PM
GG. What day is the main?
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10-07-2014 , 05:19 PM
@tsw day 1a Friday, 1b Saturday, combine on Sunday. And the final table Monday.

Appreciate your knowledge. Gonna try to utilize and implement for Main.
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10-07-2014 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ButterflySymmetry
- play more conservatively in tournaments.
- pot control more in tournaments.
- stay away from all in scenarios wo made hands.
- treat a tourney w survival mindset
Is this correct thinking? Any other advice please share! I have 5 days to prepare for this main.
-There is a time to be conservative and a time to be aggressive
-I would agree that pot control is more important in tournaments than cash
-If you're in the right situation, I wouldn't say this is true all the time
-Don't treat a tourney like you're trying to min cash it though

Try and make the best possible decision you can at that given time
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10-08-2014 , 07:05 PM
@H_ven great advice, and appreciate it.
Please keep em coming anyone!

Wowser this puts Space Mountain to shame!
Played an early morning tennis match where I dominated, and then went to work. Is it still called “work” if you lose money at work?
Played 1/2 for a couple hours and made +$121. Bought in for $400, and cashed out $525.
Played 2/5/10 for a couple hours and lost -$1700. Bought in for $1k, and added on $200, went bust and rebought for $500…went bust again, and called it a day.

I hv always stated a session comes down to 1,2, or 3 key hands that will make u or break u.

The 3 Key Hands of today:

-Stone cold $300 bluff w Ace Hi otr…he tank calls.

-checked to me/last acting, I make it $230 semi bluff ott w flush draw, and open ended straight draw bringing total pot to $450. It gets check/raised all in (he has me covered). Board is 8 10 4 9. Pot is now $850. I have $400 behind and call. River is brick city. He has 10 8. Busto numero uno

-busto numero dos hand... I started the hand w $350ish and it’s a “Splash Pot of $100” Promotion. I.e. $100 dead money in the pot before cards r dealt. Straddle is $15, I’m first to act w KJ, I limp $15 w possible plans of limp/shoving if raised. All the players called $15, and straddle checks his option. $100 splash + ($15x9) is in the pot. = $235 total pot. Flop come 9 hi w 2s. I open shove my stack of $350ish. Get called in one spot from a $500stack player. Brick city turn. Brick city river. He has K9 for a pair of nines. Mayb a better line for me wd hv been check/raise all in. It wd seem stronger, and maybe more profitable. ???

So at this point -$1,612 in the red for October.
Looks like Main Event will determine my month. Cash for black, or bust for red. I love the pressure. Shd b fun.

Shout out to pocket9s, another 2+2er I met today in the poker room. Sat w him at 1/2nl, and again at 2/5nl. I appreciated the compliments, and respect the composure u had at the tables. Once more, another stand up 2+2er. Btw, u played great. Gl at the tables, and in life. U said screen names was pocket9s on 2+2, hope I typed it correctly.

Blessed in all circumstances, Ray
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10-08-2014 , 08:50 PM
User name is Nine Dollars, haha, close. I'll post more later, still grinding.
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10-08-2014 , 09:30 PM
It's only the 8th day of the month, you have plenty of time to recoup.
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10-08-2014 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ButterflySymmetry
Played 1/2 for a couple hours and made +$121. Bought in for $400, and cashed out $525.
Where did the other $4 go?

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Originally Posted by h_ven
It's only the 8th day of the month, you have plenty of time to recoup.
Yeah but isn't the main event $1675 buy in? So wouldn't that put Butterfly $3,300 down in October if he doesn't cash? That's gonna be hard to make up in a half a month unless he runs super hot.

I'm pulling for ya BS
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10-08-2014 , 10:29 PM
I like the open shove on the KJ hand Ray. I don't think he ever folds top pair to ck/raise. You just aren't deep enough if he leads $170 or so.
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10-09-2014 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by NineDollars
User name is Nine Dollars, haha, close. I'll post more later, still grinding.
My bad NineDollars. Welp, free shout out to pocket9s (and wherever u r I'm sure ur a gd dude too).
Btw, NineDollars is about all I hv left in my wallet.

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Where did the other $4 go?


Yeah but isn't the main event $1675 buy in? So wouldn't that put Butterfly $3,300 down in October if he doesn't cash? That's gonna be hard to make up in a half a month unless he runs super hot.

I'm pulling for ya BS
On the $4...really never cashed out, just took my 1/2 chips (minus the whites) to the 2/5/10 game when it opened up. When I do this, I always count down my chips so I can record my sesh in my Poker Journal App. Then went to cashier to grab more chips for the bigger game, and also get change for a $5 bill...for vending machine. Bought 3 bags of Combos to munch on as I sat n 2/5/10 game...just took Combos$ off my $125 winnings.
Also u r correct on the main event buy n, but remember I bought my seat off a promo winner for $1k. So if I don't cash, I wd lose $1k and not the full $1675. But still, in order to book a black month, $2600ish down wd b hard to climb out of. Poker is a crazy game, anything can happen. It's because of poker that gives me hope, and because of hope that keeps me feeling alive.
Thanks for pulling for me.
@H_ven thanks for ur optimism.

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Originally Posted by Fluke22
I like the open shove on the KJ hand Ray. I don't think he ever folds top pair to ck/raise. You just aren't deep enough if he leads $170 or so.
Yep Villain def not folding to my shove if I check and he bets $170. Villain's bet wd hv to b < $100ish to perhaps induce a fold. If he bets 2/5pot of $90, and I ch/raise to $350, he wd hv to think hard to call $240 more w K9. W the dead money, I think he prob wd still call more than fold.
Thanks for letting me review this play. I think ur correct open/shove may hv been best line. My only concerns w this line is, the open overbet is always a big draw. Gd players know this, and will smtimes call w pairs hoping to fade. Meh, I still like the line. Thanks

YTD results: +$32,502 in cash this year. Down -$5685 in tournaments this year.
On a positive note: up +$26,817 overall w 2.5 months to go.
Even-though this month hasn't gone well, I'm still happy w my overall results.
#HuntForBlackOctober
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10-09-2014 , 10:50 AM
#HuntForBlackOctober, I love it!!! In honor of Ray I got a pic from yesterday, it's not quite Ray caliber but still a solid win. Will post some interesting hands from our session together later, about to start all over again now. Hmm...not letting me upload the pic from my phone, will do from laptop later.

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10-09-2014 , 02:26 PM
Gonna head up for some sessions this weekend, hope to see you cruising in the main, I'll say hey if I see ya!! GLGL
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10-09-2014 , 06:44 PM
-$214 today
-$1,826 in October..
I'm doing everything I can to stop this runbad from carrying over to the main event tomo.
All i can do is put the past in the past and live in the present. I promise u I will b fully prepared for tomo, and making the best decisions possible. I will be giving it everything I have.
How I will prepare:
-Upon recommendation from my gd bud @hello7027, I'm gonna listen to some Jared Tendler mental game podcasts this evening.
-I will also prepare by writing a few acronyms on my hand. Each time I look down at my cards and before every bet tomo, I will be reminded of these written acronyms. Hopefully these reminders (that sometimes escape me) on my hand will get me to the end.
Acronyms are:
TTP, 1HAAT, SAFF, FLC, BP

Not sure if I'll be tweeting updates tomorrow, and not sure whether to use permanent marker on my hand or ink pen.
What I do know is I registered today, and saw I'm on table 26 tomo right under the air vent. The second coldest table in the room (table 25 coldest), and 20d colder than any other table. I guess I'll b dressing like I'm heading to the North Pole tomo.

Without this thread I wd be very discouraged right now, but u guys gv me a great source of motivation. For that, I'm ever grateful.
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10-09-2014 , 09:22 PM
U got it man. If u feel not A+ mentally don't do updates. U don't want u to feel extra pressure. And ur right, it doesn't matter if u were up 4k or down As u are now, that has no effect of the decisions you make and cards that are dealt tomorrow. Just don't pressure yourself.
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10-10-2014 , 12:09 PM
keep your chin up brother...

here's a thought on cash game situation....Next time a straddle is in and you get suited connectors how about popping it up? It may get the guy w/K9 to fold. I didn't say it would, but it just may and then when the FDOTF comes you can jam it in either by shoving or check shoving..Just a thought bro, i know that 7sJs got your mind thinking in all sorts of scrambles just like this KsJs.

I got faith in you bro and a few more acronyms: IITN/IJ1P

GLGL today


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Originally Posted by ButterflySymmetry
@H_ven great advice, and appreciate it.
Please keep em coming anyone!

Wowser this puts Space Mountain to shame!
Played an early morning tennis match where I dominated, and then went to work. Is it still called “work” if you lose money at work?
Played 1/2 for a couple hours and made +$121. Bought in for $400, and cashed out $525.
Played 2/5/10 for a couple hours and lost -$1700. Bought in for $1k, and added on $200, went bust and rebought for $500…went bust again, and called it a day.

I hv always stated a session comes down to 1,2, or 3 key hands that will make u or break u.

The 3 Key Hands of today:

-Stone cold $300 bluff w Ace Hi otr…he tank calls.

-checked to me/last acting, I make it $230 semi bluff ott w flush draw, and open ended straight draw bringing total pot to $450. It gets check/raised all in (he has me covered). Board is 8 10 4 9. Pot is now $850. I have $400 behind and call. River is brick city. He has 10 8. Busto numero uno

-busto numero dos hand... I started the hand w $350ish and it’s a “Splash Pot of $100” Promotion. I.e. $100 dead money in the pot before cards r dealt. Straddle is $15, I’m first to act w KJ, I limp $15 w possible plans of limp/shoving if raised. All the players called $15, and straddle checks his option. $100 splash + ($15x9) is in the pot. = $235 total pot. Flop come 9 hi w 2s. I open shove my stack of $350ish. Get called in one spot from a $500stack player. Brick city turn. Brick city river. He has K9 for a pair of nines. Mayb a better line for me wd hv been check/raise all in. It wd seem stronger, and maybe more profitable. ???

So at this point -$1,612 in the red for October.
Looks like Main Event will determine my month. Cash for black, or bust for red. I love the pressure. Shd b fun.

Shout out to pocket9s, another 2+2er I met today in the poker room. Sat w him at 1/2nl, and again at 2/5nl. I appreciated the compliments, and respect the composure u had at the tables. Once more, another stand up 2+2er. Btw, u played great. Gl at the tables, and in life. U said screen names was pocket9s on 2+2, hope I typed it correctly.

Blessed in all circumstances, Ray
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