H13. Giving up river? you should be giving up on flop. You missed the flop, simple fold but as usual looking for any stupid excuse to float. Deservedly stacked.
I was thinking this to as I read it, even wondered what you would say about this hand.
I was thinking this to as I read it, even wondered what you would say about this hand.
Come on Rapi you're better than this.
Flop is marginal, but it's better than it looks, this hand plays better than all pps, any 8 will give me a oesd, also it's common for people to x flop with weak Kx/JJ/QQ and fire with all bluffs. I'm pretty sure my hand is just a x back OTT in theory and bluff some rivers, but in practice I believe the stab OTT is printing vs population given how often they give up OTT.
OTR this hand has very good blockers to jam and it should be one of my first bluff candidates, usually bad turn barrels are good river bluffs on.bricks.
But it doesn't matter if villain is probably a fish or regfish that will never fold.
It was a massive mistake by me OTR, I will have to do my best to just underbluff the river and play like those 45 wwsf garbage regs that are always on 100z. It looks like it's not a good idea to try to make people fold pairs.
it's so sick to see that nitty poker is still very strong in 2018, can't understand how people think poker will be dead in the near future given how ******ed the level of play is in those stakes.
Maybe I'm just dumb and keep bluffing people sometimes when the right approach seems to have 0 bluffs in range in a lot of spots otr.
Rapid, how can you possibly call any $100nl reg a "garbage reg" while you just got ***** smacked down < 2 months ago and are getting the same treatment now. What does that say about your game?
Flop is marginal, but it's better than it looks, this hand plays better than all pps, any 8 will give me a oesd, also it's common for people to x flop with weak Kx/JJ/QQ and fire with all bluffs. I'm pretty sure my hand is just a x back OTT in theory and bluff some rivers, but in practice I believe the stab OTT is printing vs population given how often they give up OTT.
It was a massive mistake by me OTR, I will have to do my best to just underbluff the river and play like those 45 wwsf garbage regs that are always on 100z. It looks like it's not a good idea to try to make people fold pairs.
Its ok to float sometimes, chasing backdoors to the nuts, not the bottom straight draw where you make your hand and get owned anyway. I bet those 45 wwsf are making more money than you at poker.
Rapid, how can you possibly call any $100nl reg a "garbage reg" while you just got ***** smacked down < 2 months ago and are getting the same treatment now. What does that say about your game?
I'm not as good as those guys at exploiting the pool, I think about a lot of stuff during the hands that should be relevant when playing vs a thinking player, while it seems that not thinking at all is a better approach. it would be much easier if I just called the river "because I think he is bluffing, flush draw missed", or give up OTR "because he won't fold" or "valuebet smaller to represent a bluff", or "check back with AK on A25J for pot control"
You can say I'm bad because of my poor results, but if anyone will make it to 500z one day between those nits and I, it will be me. Because these guys are just specialists in owning fish, they are insane in completely owning bad players, while when playing vs thinking players they get owned, just see the T3s hand, how ******ed it is for someone tp 2x pot bottom 2p on a flush board and get called by a midpair.
Also rake doesn't help me, it's just too hard to overcome that rake without playing very greedy strats.
97s is probably fine, slightly losing against pio but against gen pop its pretty straightforward to make enough exploit, pio seems to defend turn much better than pop with pp so that's where you should end it. Interesting though pio essentially has a raise or fold strat otf for IP, approx 60/40
Yeah. Worst hand I've ever seen posted by a reg I think.
Like you have even the slightest idea of what's good or bad. Stuck at 5nl since before black Friday.
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Flop is marginal, but it's better than it looks, this hand plays better than all pps, any 8 will give me a oesd, also it's common for people to x flop with weak Kx/JJ/QQ and fire with all bluffs. I'm pretty sure my hand is just a x back OTT in theory and bluff some rivers, but in practice I believe the stab OTT is printing vs population given how often they give up OTT.
OTR this hand has very good blockers to jam and it should be one of my first bluff candidates, usually bad turn barrels are good river bluffs on.bricks.
But it doesn't matter if villain is probably a fish or regfish that will never fold.
It was a massive mistake by me OTR, I will have to do my best to just underbluff the river and play like those 45 wwsf garbage regs that are always on 100z. It looks like it's not a good idea to try to make people fold pairs.
it's so sick to see that nitty poker is still very strong in 2018, can't understand how people think poker will be dead in the near future given how ******ed the level of play is in those stakes.
Maybe I'm just dumb and keep bluffing people sometimes when the right approach seems to have 0 bluffs in range in a lot of spots otr.
Flop is fine. Check turn, stab river. Everything else in your post is hilarious. You and your fanboys giving me **** for calling you trash whilst you do the exact same and you're wrong. At least I am right when I call you bad.
Villain played the hand better than you did. Do you think that's because he's not thinking?
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You can say I'm bad because of my poor results, but if anyone will make it to 500z one day between those nits and I, it will be me. Because these guys are just specialists in owning fish, they are insane in completely owning bad players, while when playing vs thinking players they get owned, just see the T3s hand, how ******ed it is for someone tp 2x pot bottom 2p on a flush board and get called by a midpair.
Not in a million years. It's also hilarious how he plays his hand better than you. A so called reg who thinks a lot and is very good at exploiting other regs and bla but then at the same time gets accused of being a fish/reg-fish. Truth is, the money in poker comes from weaker players and you're an idiot to think you'll ever become good enough to have an edge over the regs in your game. It's not happening. Just snap out of this dream you're in.
Flop is marginal, but it's better than it looks, this hand plays better than all pps, any 8 will give me a oesd, also it's common for people to x flop with weak Kx/JJ/QQ and fire with all bluffs. I'm pretty sure my hand is just a x back OTT in theory and bluff some rivers, but in practice I believe the stab OTT is printing vs population given how often they give up OTT.
OTR this hand has very good blockers to jam and it should be one of my first bluff candidates, usually bad turn barrels are good river bluffs on.bricks.
But it doesn't matter if villain is probably a fish or regfish that will never fold.
It was a massive mistake by me OTR, I will have to do my best to just underbluff the river and play like those 45 wwsf garbage regs that are always on 100z. It looks like it's not a good idea to try to make people fold pairs.
it's so sick to see that nitty poker is still very strong in 2018, can't understand how people think poker will be dead in the near future given how ******ed the level of play is in those stakes.
Maybe I'm just dumb and keep bluffing people sometimes when the right approach seems to have 0 bluffs in range in a lot of spots otr.
you should watch makeboifins appearance on joeys podcast
he specifically talks about one huge leak that micro players have is the inability to admit that they played bad even when told so
97s is horrible, you played bad. stop defending your play and listen when others tell you to stop doing -ev stuff
Should I x back? I need around 40-45% folds for this to be breakeven
You're getting folds 10% of the time at best. The jack is such a terrible card for you. It hits him so often, either by giving him a pair or a straight draw. Check and hope to hit your flush. Bluffing fish on that turn is just throwing money down the drain.
Don't 3bet pre by the way. You don't outplay calling stations with fancy bluffs like this (another concept you fail to understand about fish).
when x to ott on this texture people will, generally speaking, underfold both turn/riv
Thanks, didn't know that, I thought people folded more because most people would overfold more otf in that texture, getting to the turn with a stronger range. That's the way I treat villain's range if I'm villain
you should watch makeboifins appearance on joeys podcast
he specifically talks about one huge leak that micro players have is the inability to admit that they played bad even when told so
97s is horrible, you played bad. stop defending your play and listen when others tell you to stop doing -ev stuff
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Maybe I'm just dumb and keep bluffing people sometimes when the right approach seems to have 0 bluffs in range in a lot of spots otr.
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I did admit I was wrong and that I'm ******ed to have bluffs in spots like that in 100z vs unknowns that are likely to be whales. I'm pretty sure I'm underbluffing in spots like that to the point of making his call lose a lot and I'm valuebetting KQ in there too. But I can't afford to,lose a stack in that spot ever when I'm,probably getting 20% folds vs that guy.
In that spot I need 33% bluffs to make him breakeven, I'm probably bluffing 10%-25% vs an unknown, but it's so ******ed to show up with 0 bluffs in a certain spot too, we give villain 0 incentive to call, vs population his turn bet is already losing and river is lighting money on fire(he blocks the most frequent floats and bet jams which is JQ).
But even though his call is losing, I'm not winning too, since I can't beat the rake if I lose a stack in there. I have no idea if it's just variance, but that kind of **** happens vs me at 100z a lot and close to never at 50z/200z(unless it's vs a reg that is tilted vs me).
Like you have even the slightest idea of what's good or bad. Stuck at 5nl since before black Friday.
Flop is fine. Check turn, stab river. Everything else in your post is hilarious. You and your fanboys giving me **** for calling you trash whilst you do the exact same and you're wrong. At least I am right when I call you bad.
Villain played the hand better than you did. Do you think that's because he's not thinking?
Not in a million years. It's also hilarious how he plays his hand better than you. A so called reg who thinks a lot and is very good at exploiting other regs and bla but then at the same time gets accused of being a fish/reg-fish. Truth is, the money in poker comes from weaker players and you're an idiot to think you'll ever become good enough to have an edge over the regs in your game. It's not happening. Just snap out of this dream you're in.
You're so results oriented to say he played his hand better than I did, we were unknown, vs population his call is losing 10bb minimum otr. You could say both were ******ed though, since population underfolds river and I was stupid to bluff vs population too.
And I know I'm good enough to sit at 200z, obviously I'm not good enough to play 500z atm, but I think one day I will. Will keep working hard and will never give up.
Showing up with 0 bluffs in a spot a spot where you dont have enough fold quity to profit isnt retarted, it is the right and smart thing to do.
You might know more poker theory than most 50z regs, but that doesnt make you better than any of them, specialy when your thoughts are so confused. If you ask me, you have to stop worrying about so many complicated and fancy stuff and play a more solid, consistent strategy.
Showing up with 0 bluffs in a spot a spot where you dont have enough fold quity to profit isnt retarted, it is the right and smart thing to do.
You might know more poker theory than most 50z regs, but that doesnt make you better than any of them, specialy when your thoughts are so confused. If you ask me, you have to stop worrying about so many complicated and fancy stuff and play a more solid, consistent strategy.
what is solid? An exploitative strategy with very tight opens, nutted barrels and few bluffs that allow villain to overfold his range? My concept of "solid" is a strat that is well-rounded and will allow villain to make mistakes automatically if he isn't careful enough.
solid is not the same as weak and nitty. What i mean by solid is a simple yet effective strategy, that will make you hard to play against and wont force many mistake on your side.
Bankroll is at $3k, I think I'll stay at 100z and will be back to 50z if it drops to $2.5k, but I won't play in the next day, going to brasilia to take a small vacation and go out with my friends, will come back friday next week. Will take that time to reflect a bit about my strat at 100z. It doesn't matter if I believe I can beat 200z, atm my only goal should be to focus on beating 100z for as much as I can so I can move up, if I have to play as a 45 wwsf nit, so be it, I'll play like that.
Some hands from yesterday's session I didn't post
H1: I hate to make these call downs, but is it good vs fish?
H2: villain called very fast OTT, should I make it bigger OTR? I think that people are weak when calling very fast, so they want to show strength so people won't bluff them in the next street. Obviously I should x turn, but not vs this guy
You can say I'm bad because of my poor results, but if anyone will make it to 500z one day between those nits and I, it will be me. Because these guys are just specialists in owning fish, they are insane in completely owning bad players, while when playing vs thinking players they get owned, just see the T3s hand, how ******ed it is for someone tp 2x pot bottom 2p on a flush board and get called by a midpair.
Also rake doesn't help me, it's just too hard to overcome that rake without playing very greedy strats.
This is exactly how you spot a beginner/bad player thats their typical saying every time.. "I'm better at playing good thinking players on higher stakes, thats why i have such a low winrate vs micro fish"
I havent followed your journey and know nothing about you, but thats the most stupid thing to say if ur any good u could both learn to valueown bad players while playing different vs the good regs. So put some focus into getting value instead of finding the most creative bluffs!
This is exactly how you spot a beginner/bad player thats their typical saying every time.. "I'm better at playing good thinking players on higher stakes, thats why i have such a low winrate vs micro fish"
I havent followed your journey and know nothing about you, but thats the most stupid thing to say if ur any good u could both learn to valueown bad players while playing different vs the good regs. So put some focus into getting value instead of finding the most creative bluffs!
It's hard to know if a player is bad or not when you have low volume like I do and the player pool is so big, I rarely have enough stats on villain to know if I should never bluff or not OTR, so I use my std strategy, which has some bluffs in my range in most spots.
You're so results oriented to say he played his hand better than I did, we were unknown, vs population his call is losing 10bb minimum otr. You could say both were ******ed though, since population underfolds river and I was stupid to bluff vs population too.
And I know I'm good enough to sit at 200z, obviously I'm not good enough to play 500z atm, but I think one day I will. Will keep working hard and will never give up.
How do you think he should’ve played his hand? Fwiw, he played it fine. But lets hear your theory seeing as how he also played it “******ed”.