Haha, good to see you're enjoying the ride!

And yeah, overthinking is often bad, specially in the games I play, but can't change that.

Vaaaaamoooo

The truth is that if that is sick fold, but imo positively if we are sure villain squezze with JJ+ and never donkbet a TP, what is truly intuitive not do in a 4way pot IMO. I really never donkbet nowhere, don´t know how people do this, this is the reason bc i don´t think a micro reg doing it, specially in a 4way pot wheere no one in the world put work on this situation, if the reg has tights tendencies I do not see badly spare us the call of the turn.

What I think too is that if sb is able to donk TP on the flop he will continue on the turn. (counter of your reasoning)
It is true that have to be careful folding here because a single overpair or a single TP makes the fold very bad, need be sure he never go do it with this hands.

IMO the nit reg player who does this with a set will not do it with TP or bluff never, other types of players do not matter for this, they can do it with the three things (TP, SET or BLUFF) against them it is obligatory to pay, but theydon´t have tight tendencies. The important thing is to identify the first type to be able to fold, anyways this situation is this situation is so weird that I do not think it's worth thinking about it XD

Rapidesh makes a good poker play for once in his life + gives perfect rational explanation to why he made the play and people jump down his throat. Its fairly obvious villain is just trying to trap dead money from the BB and take a fish to valuetown.

Pretty std explo fold. The combos people suggested him having make no sense whatsoever in theory or in practice when it comes to a the preflop action, villains stats and the fact this is a 4 way pot. The very reason this line is so good is that people dont understand how tight bluffcatching in multiway pots should be in theory and level themselves into calling 3 streets with top pairs and overpairs or raising bottom set or vulnerable overpairs resulting in either getting stacked or not getting to showdown in 1 piece.

This exact spot is bread and butter at 50z except u donk like 25-35% to get people calling and raising incorrectly
Can't even count how many 3way all in pots I've won by donking 25% with middle/top set on T high or lower board by trapping bb money gotting raised by pfr with tp/overpair then called or 3bet by button with a lower set. If button calls the raise I donk turn again to trap the pfrs money in and hope button shoves and the fishy pfr feels pot committed. This kind of situation happens literally 1 a week at 25-50zoom

Very weird to me rapidesh can make these uuber tight but justifiable folds but cant fold to 3 or 4 bets correctly or resist the urge to spew his stack off left and right

If you dont donk your middle/top set here, what do u do? checkraise? check call then donk turn if still multiway to prevent nitty checkbacks? Check call check raise. Check call check call check raise. Obviously this should depend on texture and runouts but just curious what line u think is std here. For me on a rainbow low board 4way, donking is my preferred choice because people overfold to the checkraise mw on rainbow boards and do weird non theoretically sound things vs a smal donk. Bb often comes along for the ride with 2nd pair+ bd or raises some hand for value, he should be folding multiway, which is jokes as well

I really do not have cc range in the sb, so I'm never in that situation, I do not have much idea to structure my game in the main sequences, imagine in 3 way or 4way pots, idk nothing about it xD, I just thought that if I were in the situation of rapidsh i would throw myself away if he is tight reg.

It makes a lot of sense everything you say for me, people think it's so crazy to throw themselves, that's why Donkbet is so good xDDD. very happy looking your comments mate , at first I had doubts if you were trolling, bc the fold is so crazy for all here XD

I think it's amazing to have a notion of how we want to play in 4way pots, you have to have your game really worked, I'm very very bad even for that, but listening to you worried about that motivates me to learn XD ty mate

Pd: now understand, as you say, that we need fold vs any micro reg, not only vs very tight one i mean xD..

SlavaGZ must be Brazilian.

villain doing it with exclusively 66 is a possibility but we cant know for sure thus we peel turn and decide on river, maybe villain decided to call JJ from sb and lead this flop which wouldnt even be all that bad, then betting this turn for this sizing would also be okay, folding 33 there on the turn is dangerous territory and not a single crusher would really consider it

I agree that the fold is abysmal and very ******ed if we take theory into account. But I think that people on 50z play so face up, specially in mw pots that it's possible to soul read villain. And people on this level are usually very nitty when it comes to valuebetting, not even sure if a 50z reg will valuebet JJ there. Today I played vs a reg that bet 33%, 75% with top set and checked river back, afraid of the flush. You play vs very good opponents that wouldn't mess up that much in that spot like 50z regs would.

And I'm pretty sure benabadbeat folded KK on AKXAK in a 4-bet pot vs one guy(it was something like that), so some crushers could think about making sick folds like that.

you folded a set for 16bb thats not a sick fold, its pathetic.

Why did you create a new account just to post this? lol

There is nothing to decide on the river because you can never pay or bet on the river, also know if villain can has JJ is only see a stat

is this bit ch person Rapid? lul

Now I get your first message xD
I just do not understand why you hate it so much, I do not follow the thread for a long time

Everytime I read your comments I imagine something resembling a potato that talks gibberish.

How dare English not be his first language!

To everyone saying that the 33 hand confirms troll...that was confirmed a long time ago.

**** that sucks misclicking the 33 hand he prob would've paid u off as well

Nope it's not that. He's just an idiot.

And yea the 33 hand was obviously a troll. People still take this thread seriously?

mute me

Lol, like I would waste my time creating an account just to try to make me look good haha!
I already post the worst hands ever, **** that a lot of other regs wouldn't ever consider posting, I don't care if you guys think I'm a fish, my goal here is to learn, share my journey and have some fun!

yes we occasionally make some outrageous folds on river but the fold you did would never cross anyones mind, would we roll our eyes thinking well we may run into 66 here..? sure but still peel turn and see what happens on river

It was legit, I took 30s of my time bank in there, usually I just fold fast in these spots I'm pretty sure I'm beat, but this one needed a bit more of thinking.

And all the hands I post here are legit, just thought it was a quite interesting fold and that some very unorthodox plays like that could be good.

Btw, nobody answered my question: with which hands you would get ott in villain's spot?

Some honest advice rapidesh from someone who recognises himself in your current mentality.


You completely overthink poker. That 33 fold is so bad it's untrue, EVEN IF YOU WERE BEHIND. If opponent has a set there then you pay that man his maney. It really is that simple because their range there can't be only sets, there has to be more combos that you are crushing. And if they have a set you can make a quick note and move on comfortable in the knowledge that you made the best decision with the limited information you had.


When I was a 180 reg 5 years ago I was so consumed with overthinking every single spot that, not only did I waste a huge amount of mental-resources getting frustrated that I wasn't able to avoid getting coolered in certain spots vs regs (almost always unavoidable btw, but I didn't realise at the time because I thought about poker all wrong), but I also burnt out at an alarming frequency and never put in the volume I needed to because I was playing less tables to "focus" and then getting tilted to **** all the time because I was spending all my resources unnecessarily on over-analysing the most simple of spots and getting tilted to **** that I was unable to get-away from a situation. And I probably burnt a lot of money making folds like the one you made in the 33 hand, and then justifying it to myself even though I had a plethora of grinders telling me I was overthinking spots.


I see this same trend in how you approach the game. You should just focus on trying to create a decent, simplified game that can be replicated across 3 or 4 z tables at the micros and stop spending your precious energy trying to make genius folds.


Honestly mate, I like you a lot and think the trolling in this thread far crosses the line into bullying at times, so I want to see you succeed. My advice to you is to maybe drop down another level or two, simplify your HUD and to start trying to use it less and less, and focus more on ranges only turning to your HUD when it's absolutely necessary. If I could've given my 2013/2014 self this advice, and if my past-self hadn't been so pig-headed, I honestly think I would be a decent mid-stakes MTT reg by now rather than just a casual grinder who has spent most of the last 5 years working some of the most atrocious, torturous real-life jobs you can imagine.

You shouldn't fold 33 there

Ashes, I don't play poker to avoid coolers, I do it to try to make the best decisions, if I think someone is underbluffing, I will fold my bluffcatcher. As someone who was always paranoid about balance, I used to look for spots with great imbalances in my game and found out I was underbluffing in some spots, sometimes with even 100% value because of how hard it would be to fund bluffs in some spots. If I, who am thinking a lot about ranges could end up very imbalanced in some spots, imagine a player that is playing his hand only.

Explo folding will always be a thing because of how greedy humans are,how bad they are with randomization and because most people just don't care about designing sound ranges in some spots to give at least villain some reason to call. Also because that there are braindead people that just look at hands in term of absolute hand strength rather than evaluate that hand strength is relative, you should take into consideration villain's range and actions, so in some spots quads could be a bluffcatcher and K high a valuebet.

My hand was already a bluffcatcher OTF after villain donked into 3 people. Some people will raise itOTF, which vs a weak player is good, butvs a reg we can't expect to get calls from worse in there enough.

So they never flats ATo or even ATs in the sb there and decided to lead? Or JJ occasionally? I still think you have to call turn and then decide on river.