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08-09-2023 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by delivery guy
On the lower stakes up to say 200 level of PLO on Global.. if you try to play anything close to GTO will most likely losing. If you try and bluff rivers "Like you should" you will probably be stationed to death. Forget what you have learned, take a ton of notes, nit it up and develop the reputation of never bluffing. Only then can you sneak some through on the river.

Looking back.. most of my personal profits at those levels came from value owning folks with the nuts, or by bluff catching some bad bluffs. NOTHING FANCY. There seems to be a fear of being bluffed or bullied at low stakes in general. I would never try to bluff a bad player off of a bad flush or get them to fold trips, for instance. They are paranoid that is what you are trying to do.
I get it… don’t totally agree, but I understand your point and yes bluffing stations is a bad strategy.

Will post 10k graph on GG soon.
08-09-2023 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by XtraScratch8
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...eater-1798394/

Seeing this discord ‘Spork’ sn tipped my memory off to something I saw a couple years back. Just searched to see if I was off or not, but anyhow. Plot thickens. lol
My understanding is he was a member of an RTA stable, and outed them at his own loss. He is not using RTA now.
08-09-2023 , 05:50 PM
Just learned a person (portemilio) I let live sweat me when trying to stake me months ago was part of the RTA stable, and got rebanned permanently after the original wave of bans happened… Probably got ghosted!
08-09-2023 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by KnoxKnoxJoke
I get it… don’t totally agree
What don't you agree about?

It seems pretty logical to me that a gto strategy is a two-way strategy. Your ranges/sizes depend on your opponent having specific ("correct") ranges/sizes. If your opponent doesn't have those ranges, than the optimal strategy is one that max exploits his actual ranges, not one that breaks even against a theoretical range

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Originally Posted by KnoxKnoxJoke
Just learned a person (portemilio) I let live sweat me when trying to stake me months ago was part of the RTA stable, and got rebanned permanently after the original wave of bans happened… Probably got ghosted!
It's more likely that you got superused
08-09-2023 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by EvolvedSavage
What don't you agree about?

It seems pretty logical to me that a gto strategy is a two-way strategy. Your ranges/sizes depend on your opponent having specific ("correct") ranges/sizes. If your opponent doesn't have those ranges, than the optimal strategy is one that max exploits his actual ranges, not one that breaks even against a theoretical range



It's more likely that you got superused
Ah, the term in MTG is ghosting.

In regards to bluff / don’t bluff I just have my own strategy and justification. Imo when nuts don’t change from previous street firing river triple is mostly close to 0ev anyways in solver. You can make like 2-3bb in a 200bb pot bluffing vs somebody who didn’t over call a previous street or is over calling river. Im more interested in finding spots where my opponents have trash, and filtering out the trash with bluffs than bluffing rivers without good reason. Which is basically what the solver does, just the solver fires more low ev bluffs in big spots. When I’m unsure vs a crazy fish, bluff could either be small ev or massive punt, so better to be conservative in some spots.
08-09-2023 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by KnoxKnoxJoke
Ah, the term in MTG is ghosting.
I'm so old my go-to MTG joke is to call people "barns" and reference slops and props

I do still cube draft on MTGO tho

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Im more interested in finding spots where my opponents have trash, and filtering out the trash with bluffs than bluffing rivers without good reason. Which is basically what the solver does, just the solver fires more low ev bluffs in big spots. When I’m unsure vs a crazy fish, bluff could either be small ev or massive punt, so better to be conservative in some spots.
Yeah, that all seems fair. I think a lot of people get so hung up on solves that they ignore the logic that goes into them and try to apply them to spots that they aren't applicable, but if you're looking for explo spots vs people who are derivating from optimal play, you're ahead of most
08-11-2023 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by KnoxKnoxJoke
I get it… don’t totally agree, but I understand your point and yes bluffing stations is a bad strategy.

Will post 10k graph on GG soon.
In before 8BI downswing and OP confirms cheating on GG.
08-11-2023 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by EvolvedSavage
What don't you agree about?

It seems pretty logical to me that a gto strategy is a two-way strategy. Your ranges/sizes depend on your opponent having specific ("correct") ranges/sizes. If your opponent doesn't have those ranges, than the optimal strategy is one that max exploits his actual ranges, not one that breaks even against a theoretical range



It's more likely that you got superused
It’s funny to me that you so confidently talk about this yet you don’t seem to grasp the basic principle at all.

It doesn’t depend on anything, it is completely indifferent to your ranges/sizes. Also, it breaks even against the same strategy, it wins versus anything else.
08-11-2023 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Made man
It’s funny to me that you so confidently talk about this yet you don’t seem to grasp the basic principle at all.

It doesn’t depend on anything, it is completely indifferent to your ranges/sizes. Also, it breaks even against the same strategy, it wins versus anything else.
I get where you thought he displayed a lack of understanding, but I don’t think that’s what he was trying to say. Seems pedantic at this point.

6k hands in on GG, breakeven EV running a few BI above EV. Making ok money off of rakeback, leaderboard and flip tournament. Paying roughly 13bb/100 rake. Haven’t put in a ton of volume doing a lot of studying atm.
08-11-2023 , 10:25 PM
collusion!!!!! no need for studying if you are such a sick crusher
08-12-2023 , 05:18 AM
Guess my PVI is kinda messed up, raked $970 in the last 5 days and only get maybe $100 in rakeback... Was up $250 on the deposit, and graph has me winning 197 but I fired a couple $27 satellites. Going to move to different site I guess, breaking even isn't fun



TBH this hand kind of tilted me.



I have KQJT here.

I know GG is a site where people have low winrates, but was hoping my PVI would be good because I'm net down on the site.

My instincts say to go back to Party+Stars grind, so that's what I'll do starting tmr. This is my 100s graph from stars/party so far this year.



Hoping to catch some serious heat soon, have been studying a lot every day and making strides in game knowledge and strategy.

Also, have some money locked in Skrill that I can't deposit to Winamax for some reason, so trying to get that sorted and then will try that site. EDIT* Just got support email back, winamax doesn't accept canadian Skrill. So I'm out $100 because of bullshit Skrill foreign exchange fees lol...

Last edited by KnoxKnoxJoke; 08-12-2023 at 05:25 AM.
08-12-2023 , 05:42 AM
In regards to GG game quality, some games were amazing with whales straddling, all-in blind etc. But the vast majority of the time it was 5 regs 1 fish. Ran pretty hot with the game quality at first, but 5 regs 13bb/100 rake is just brutal.
08-12-2023 , 07:28 AM
serial quitter. Truth to be said all the endbosses are gathered in plo100 gg hood
08-12-2023 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Made man
It’s funny to me that you so confidently talk about this yet you don’t seem to grasp the basic principle at all.

It doesn’t depend on anything, it is completely indifferent to your ranges/sizes. Also, it breaks even against the same strategy, it wins versus anything else.
"GTO always wins" mfers when they bluff call 40% on the river vs a player who has 0% bluffs because tOy GaMe SaiD sO

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Originally Posted by KnoxKnoxJoke
In regards to GG game quality, some games were amazing with whales straddling, all-in blind etc. But the vast majority of the time it was 5 regs 1 fish. Ran pretty hot with the game quality at first, but 5 regs 13bb/100 rake is just brutal.
My understanding of GG cash games is that they are only really worth grinding if you are going for leaderboards. Is that a consideration for you?
08-12-2023 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by EvolvedSavage
"GTO always wins" mfers when they bluff call 40% on the river vs a player who has 0% bluffs because tOy GaMe SaiD sO



My understanding of GG cash games is that they are only really worth grinding if you are going for leaderboards. Is that a consideration for you?
I thought leaderboards would be more attainable to be honest. I got a $30, and some $8s, and maybe a $20. Not exactly worth it haha.
08-12-2023 , 11:31 PM
did you bust your roll and shortstacking plo50?
08-13-2023 , 02:01 AM
Change of plans. Decided that I need to stop looking for reasons when losing. Going to redeposit on Global and Ignition, this is the advice I've received. Need to adopt more of a "it is what it is" mentality when dealing with downswings instead of looking for reasons in my play, pool etc.
08-13-2023 , 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by gtlol
did you bust your roll and shortstacking plo50?
Hate to disappoint you, but no I haven't.
08-13-2023 , 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by KnoxKnoxJoke
Change of plans. Decided that I need to stop looking for reasons when losing. Going to redeposit on Global and Ignition, this is the advice I've received. Need to adopt more of a "it is what it is" mentality when dealing with downswings instead of looking for reasons in my play, pool etc.
but but

Spoiler:
collusion


Spoiler:
comedy of blog


It is not a downswing if you suck. I am glad ggpoker fishes gave you a reality check
08-14-2023 , 02:59 AM
Hit flow state for the first time in recent memory. +10bi day on Ignition. Will update with 10k graph.
08-14-2023 , 04:51 AM
Like the one you updated from gg loser? Keep playing and you will finally have your 10k cherry picked graph where you are on insane ev heater and prove you are the plo50 endboss
08-14-2023 , 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by gtlol
Like the one you updated from gg loser? Keep playing and you will finally have your 10k cherry picked graph where you are on insane ev heater and prove you are the plo50 endboss
Lol it’s not cherry picked when I post all my results in here… such a hateful troll
08-14-2023 , 05:46 AM
to remind you this is the only blog plo on twoplustwo
there is no other regular blog around

we all hope you go bust like we do x) or go pro endboss plo2k on gg.
08-14-2023 , 06:15 AM
Idk why so much negativity in pb&g section.

Keep at it OP!
08-15-2023 , 02:59 AM
Catching some heat again. 200s on Playnow will be back on the MENU soon.

Ignition giveth, and Ignition taketh away.

Thankfully this time, the site is in the giving mood

      
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