Is there any way to quantify this in terms of duration/hands as opposed to downswing size?

Yeah fair.

Thats the second column on the screenshot I posted.

you have actual players that are better than you saying they have experienced these "impossible" downswings. But let us have faith in this variance calculator that says it isn't accurate

I'm only attempting to explain where I got the value from.

Story checks out. Assuming stdev is accurate and 8bb is actual winrate (impossible to quantify actual wr at this point) I can't see why it would be wrong? The only other thing is that maybe game/strat changes over time could impact upon either stdev or actual winrate to where it throws things out of whack.

Poker achievement? Exposing you for the little liar you are is a poker achievement?

You also have to be brain damaged if you think this has anything to do with how well Broken is doing. I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. He is not worth 100$/hr as a coach. That is my issue. Now whether he wins 100k this year or sells his ass to pay rent.

I could not care less.

Instead of giving me naming rights. How about from now on before you post, you check in with me? This way we’ll make sure you’ll never post something stupid again.

I agree I'm not worth $100/hr

If you believed that you would coach for more than $100/hour

What are stdev numbers for said crushers Ben?

I think the entire issue is settled in this stat, and it should be significantly higher wielding deep stacks vs elite regs at 500 zoom.

Problem with people like him and meale is they think they are smarter or better than they really are.

As has been proven thus far. He has not even the slightest clue about variance but even after a long time pro proves him wrong. He disagrees with it AND has some worthless peasant agreeing with it.

STD DEV isn't going to increase too much... for 6m nlh 100bb starting its going to be between like 80-120.

Mine is 101 over 350k hands. More passive/tighter players will be <100.... but you're right more aggro games and deeper game play will increase it, but even if it goes to 120 the stat won't change much in this instance.

I can't see it being calculated on any other stat than std dev so it should effect it big time.

So say you win at 3bb at 500 zoom and you dick wave deep at 110 std dev. Then you'll see this.

When did I ever lie? I made a decision to print money vs fish for a living which imo is the whole point of this game?

How is it that you are qualified to determine whether a value proposition of Mason's coaching rate is objectively worthwhile or not? Especially when for every 1 person saying so there's 9 saying he is? Even if the equation was flipped, you'd still be out of line to suggest it's possible to ascribe a truth value to a proposition like that.

Do I think Hellmuth is worth 2.3 MU in 10ks? No, but it's not my place to shout from the rooftops that he is objectively wrong for doing so.

It is genuinely perplexing to me that you think $100/hr is a lot of money for coaching. It's not. Is this because $100 is a lot for you? I guess if it's 20% of your bankroll it might be... Especially not a high rate for someone who has PROVEN to be a big winner over 350k hands in a niche player pool which only adds to his value - IMO. See that last bit, it's a concession in which I am recognising that what I'm saying is a subjective truth. Not some cosmic truth that im going to bitterly defend til the day I die.

You have proven yourself incapable of critical thinking over and over again. And it becomes more and more evident with every post. I suggest you take some time off to cool down and think about naming rights for my forthcoming PGC. <3

Yeah, having a 3bb wr compared to 8bb is going to be a massive difference.

edit: 750k hand ds 1.74%, kms

By claiming you got coaching years ago and a post before that stating you have a 150$ hourly since the start of this year due to his coaching.

Either you are a liar or slow. Both are bad, granted one is worse than the other.

As for everything else. All you do is come to the defense of your friend adding 0 value to this all. Long time pro with 10 times the hands played of you and broken combined shows how wildly wrong he is about variance but you agree with Broken that Ben is wrong. Literally useless.

Again, who said I think 100$/hr is a lot of money? I said he is not worth it. Which I stand by, even more so given how clueless he is about variance.

Truth is. He likely isnt even an 8bb/100 winner and 8bb/100 on Ignition should be a walk in the park. Yet you brain dead fan boys fap yourself to sleep over it.

When ever you decide to make your pgc I’ll come make sure you get the views. Until then. Ssssssst.

Can you stop trying and just accept you are underestimating variance like crazy because your extreme sun run has gotten to you?

It’s fine. I once went on a 23 win streak playing Fifa 17 and I thought I was the best in the world. I still havent beaten division 1 to this day.

No one disagreed with Bena... and to be frank... Bena didn't disagree either. He asked if I could be underestimating variance and I simply posted where I got the data from. Following that post Meale simply stated that what I had said matches what was on the site.

It all comes down to whether or not it's modeled correctly on PD. No one disagreed with anyone.

It's entirely possible my real winrate is 4-5bb... Though it's an equal probability that it is 10-12bb too.

Yeah what ever. The point is you are wildly wrong because 1 you have never experienced variance and 2 you have no idea about it.

Why go by a site when this actual forum has thousands of examples of people with better winrates on tougher sites than you going through way worse variance than you think will ever happen to you?

Meale is useless. Not sure why you even mention him.

This and,

>By claiming you got coaching years ago and a post before that stating you have a 150$ hourly since the start of this year due to his coaching.

I never said my hourly was a result of his coaching directly. I'm playing on an extremely different site to him. I was light heartedly stipulating that there may be a correlation between winning players and getting coached by Mason.

Again, critical thinking, Mzbourg.

It’s not. You are running hotter than you ever will and you’re winning at 8bb/100.

But lets talk again in 350k hands. Maybe you’ll prove me wrong. Wanna pick this up again say August 2019?

Keep trying.

I mean... the 350k hands before this I was also winning at ~10bb/100 but at lower stakes...

but yea..

sure thing bro

He's worth whatever people pay him. Get the **** over it, jealous bitter loser. and before you say "zomg i thought you had me on ignore."...I do. Catch stupid **** skimming past your quoted garbage.