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01-28-2011 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by TheNixonator
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I got $13.10 from it.
If only UB could ever get it right! lol...
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01-28-2011 , 08:35 PM
stick with the turbos you just going through a rough grind it out YOU CAN DO IT
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01-28-2011 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by tas devil
stick with the turbos you just going through a rough grind it out YOU CAN DO IT
I appreciate the confidence, but it seems when I start making progress I just get a cold streak of cards. I played 10 non turbos or so and they seem to be a lot better.
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01-29-2011 , 03:11 AM
non turbos for the winnnnnn
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01-29-2011 , 02:17 PM
Alright, starting to adjust to the non-turbo format. Gonna play for a few hours before I gotta work.
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01-29-2011 , 05:22 PM
lost like 4 buy ins, pretty standard I guess.

Bankrolls at about 1850
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02-01-2011 , 12:23 AM
Played for like an hour and a half today so far. Won about $40, br's at 1890.

Ive started to stack my tables. It's easier on the eyes, and I'm playing 12 at a time instead of only 6-8.
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02-01-2011 , 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by TheNixonator
Had some run good today. Won about $160, so I'm almost to my 2k starting point for my challenge.

Bankroll's at $1993.68

Can someone please explain why this hand is -$7.02 Ev?

Poker Stars $12+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 3 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BB: t970 4.85 BBs
BTN: t3855 19.27 BBs
Hero (SB): t4175 20.88 BBs

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is SB with K K
BTN calls t200, Hero raises to t4175 all in, 1 fold, BTN calls t3655 all in

Flop: (t7910) Q J 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t7910) 3 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t7910) 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t7910
BTN shows 8 8 (a pair of Eights)
Hero shows K K (a pair of Kings)
Hero wins t7910
Are you looking at HEM? You are probably looking at the "EV $ Diff" column, which tells you how much better/worse than EV you did on the hand. Since you got it in way ahead (~80/20) for an (estimated) $35 win, you technically ran $7.04 "better" than EV because your actual EV in the hand was $28.

If you had lost the hand, it would have shown your EV $ Diff as about +$35 (the numbers are a little off on tournaments since the program doesn't know the exact payout structures unless you tell it.)
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02-01-2011 , 02:43 AM
Rolls at like 1800. I honesty dont know what I can do. I'm either putting the money in as a favorite, or I'm shipping 9 BB's with TT into JJ+ OR its ATs into like AQ. A lot of the time it's from the button or from SB.

I'm gonna have faith in my game, eventually I should start making money.
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02-02-2011 , 02:45 AM
Had me some run good, back up to 1900.

Snow day tomorrow, so i should be able to put in some volume.
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02-02-2011 , 07:35 PM
Hand from yesterday, an example of my run good.


Poker Stars $12+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds - 4 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BTN: t1994 19.94 BBs
SB: t2153 21.53 BBs
Hero (BB): t3568 35.68 BBs
CO: t1285 12.85 BBs

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is BB with J K
2 folds, SB raises to t300, Hero calls t200

Flop: (t600) A T Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t600) T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (t600) A (2 players)
SB bets t600, Hero raises to t3268 all in, SB calls t1253 all in

Final Pot: t4306
SB shows A 7 (a full house, Aces full of Tens)
Hero shows J K (a Royal Flush)
Hero wins t4306
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02-02-2011 , 11:07 PM
post some graphs. Where u snowed in at?
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02-03-2011 , 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by txaggy1221
post some graphs. Where u snowed in at?
Wisconsin

$13 graph:


Overall graph:
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02-16-2011 , 11:38 PM
Sorry that I haven't been updating, but I haven't played much poker.

I've been watching cardrunner videos non-stop and the main thing I've learned was ICM calculations. In the past week, I've watched 10 hours of video. I've kept a note book to really grasp the concepts covered in them. I feel that my game much better.

I learned that I wasn't pushing wide enough, I wasn't using my fold equity to my advantage. With learning ICM, and messing around with some ICM software (SNGEGT) I've learned a great deal about shipping ranges.

I played a little bit today and won $65, my rolls at 2,032.
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02-17-2011 , 02:10 AM
And I forgot to say that I switched back to the turbos, and it seems that I picked up right were I left off.

I'm making good ships, but when I'm running into the top of their ranges its hard to make money.
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02-17-2011 , 03:08 PM
Definately be watching this thread as I am a 6 max player myself just moved up to the $13 level tiling 6gms at once as well. How do you find stacking 8-10 tables now, does it affect your game or ROI not being able to see the table and get reads. Anyways good luck man im sure ill be seeing a lot of you at the tables.
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02-17-2011 , 05:07 PM
your EV graph shows you are most likely a breakeven player in 13s and barely beating 6.5s, you need to improve your game, work on ICM and push wider from late positions when you are short, sng wizard should suit you gl.
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02-17-2011 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Judaz49
your EV graph shows you are most likely a breakeven player in 13s and barely beating 6.5s, you need to improve your game, work on ICM and push wider from late positions when you are short, sng wizard should suit you gl.
I don't trust the ev calculations on hem.. explain to me how they get those figures?

It seems that when I'm running good and I'm holding with my all ins, it still says that I'm in negative EV situations. Even tho I'm putting in the money good.
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02-17-2011 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by thedean18
Definately be watching this thread as I am a 6 max player myself just moved up to the $13 level tiling 6gms at once as well. How do you find stacking 8-10 tables now, does it affect your game or ROI not being able to see the table and get reads. Anyways good luck man im sure ill be seeing a lot of you at the tables.
I've done better stacking 12 tables, than tiling 8 games. I have hold em manager, so watching players isn't all that necessary. I was getting head aches from looking at the tiny tables, and stacking is so much easier on the eyes.

As I said earlier, I watched like 10 hours of a video series mainly based on 9 max stt's. I gave them a go and they feel a lot more comfortable. I'm gonna be switching to the $16 9 man turbos for now, and we'll see where that goes.

After 25 games (that's not **** obv) I've won $59, even though it says I should be up $96. So this may be the end to my 6 max stt thread.

Good luck to you with the $13, for some reason it seems that I can't get over them. I wanna hear how you do though, I'll be hoping that you can beat 'em, so maybe you'd share with me how
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02-17-2011 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TheNixonator
Rolls at like 1800. I honesty dont know what I can do. I'm either putting the money in as a favorite, or I'm shipping 9 BB's with TT into JJ+ OR its ATs into like AQ. A lot of the time it's from the button or from SB.

I'm gonna have faith in my game, eventually I should start making money.
Hey buddy! I can relate to that even tho I'm a 9man player but don't worry about it there's nothing you can do, just be confident about your pushes and your game!
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02-17-2011 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TheNixonator
I don't trust the ev calculations on hem.. explain to me how they get those figures?

It seems that when I'm running good and I'm holding with my all ins, it still says that I'm in negative EV situations. Even tho I'm putting in the money good.
I can guarantee they are correct, there are many threads and graphs about it.It can just midlead in short term (100-200 games) like u are making the best move but still having -EV but that doesnt mean that move is -EV in long term.Here is a graph posted in 2p2 that proves how redline can be a guide in long term.

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02-18-2011 , 03:32 AM
Well I switched to the $16 9 man turbos. This was my first day playing them, I played 141 of them.

I was up $170 at one point. What should I make of this graph?





Says i'm running -$267 under ev
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02-18-2011 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Judaz49
I can guarantee they are correct, there are many threads and graphs about it.It can just midlead in short term (100-200 games) like u are making the best move but still having -EV but that doesnt mean that move is -EV in long term.Here is a graph posted in 2p2 that proves how redline can be a guide in long term.

How does it calculate ev for tournaments? Like say I get my aces cracked on the very first hand, even if my aces hold I might not cash, and if I do where do I cash?

How does it put a dollar amount of ev on that tournament when there's so many things to account for?
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02-19-2011 , 12:02 AM
How does this hand give me -$3.00 ev?


Poker Stars $15+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (BTN): t1380 9.20 BBs
SB: t1255 8.37 BBs
BB: t910 6.07 BBs
UTG: t2125 14.17 BBs
UTG+1: t120 0.80 BBs
UTG+2: t1183 7.89 BBs
MP1: t1710 11.40 BBs
MP2: t3145 20.97 BBs
CO: t1672 11.15 BBs

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is BTN with A A
4 folds, MP2 raises to t3145 all in, 1 fold, Hero calls t1380 all in, 2 folds

Flop: (t2985) 2 3 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t2985) 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t2985) A (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t2985
Hero shows A A (three of a kind, Aces)
MP2 shows J K (high card Ace)
Hero wins t2985
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02-19-2011 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by TheNixonator
How does this hand give me -$3.00 ev?


Poker Stars $15+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (BTN): t1380 9.20 BBs
SB: t1255 8.37 BBs
BB: t910 6.07 BBs
UTG: t2125 14.17 BBs
UTG+1: t120 0.80 BBs
UTG+2: t1183 7.89 BBs
MP1: t1710 11.40 BBs
MP2: t3145 20.97 BBs
CO: t1672 11.15 BBs

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is BTN with A A
4 folds, MP2 raises to t3145 all in, 1 fold, Hero calls t1380 all in, 2 folds

Flop: (t2985) 2 3 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t2985) 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t2985) A (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t2985
Hero shows A A (three of a kind, Aces)
MP2 shows J K (high card Ace)
Hero wins t2985


This is just my guess of how the EV works... there are 9 players @ $15 each.. which is $135... each player starts with 1500 in chips, which is 13500 total chips....

That gives each chip a value of $.01... that pot was 2985 chips, or $29.85... with AA vs KJ you were an 87% favorite to win the hand, he was 13%... therefore based on the percentage to win, you should have won $25.97 worth of chips, and he should have won $3.88 worth of the chips... therefore you would be -$3.88 EV... I also assume HEM would know if any K's or J's were mucked and they could take that into effect as well...

Just my guess of how it works, I could be way off
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