Thanks, wil. I've never met Brice, or talked to him outside this thread, so his personal issue is self-made and this is all out of nowhere.

Thanks!

In recent posts, I’ve been accused of being shady in the prop bet with Duke, having bullied him into a penalty and the cancellation of the bet because he was winning, and only wanting the payout so I could protect my ego and claim I won the bet. All of these things are completely false.

This is going to be the last thing I ever write about this prop bet on here. Anytime anyone brings it up, or tries to assassinate my character by lying about it or misrepresenting it, I’m just copy and pasting this. I don’t want to argue about it, and it’s way in the past, but I’m not going to let people basically slander me and not respond with facts to protect my reputation as an honorable gambler.

Facts/Cliffs

- Duke and I had a winrate prop bet
- Duke went north, I deemed this cheating
- I was likely winning at the time this happened
- The settlement Duke paid was for significantly less than the bet
- The only thing I did wrong was to jump on 2p2 and post about it too quickly, which I apologized to Duke for both on the phone and in my thread

The Bet

Duke and I made a $500 BB/hr winrate prop bet for 1,000 hours starting on 7/1/14. We anticipated the bet being so close that we agreed to account for different rakes at different venues, tips, and the lesser impact of rake at 2/5 vs. 1/2. We set up a tiebreaker if it was within .5 bb/hr.

Who Was Winning?

I’ve been accused of trying to get out of the bet because I was losing. As of 10/2/14 (last monthly update), I was at 21.57 bb/hr through 261 hours and Duke was at 18 bb/hr through 390 hours. As of 10/8/14, Duke had posted he was at 13 bb/hr since July 5, which cuts off the first four days of the prop bet, so I don’t know his actual winrate to that point in the prop bet. I was at 16.9 bb/hr at that point through 286 hours. As of the end of the bet, my winrate was at 15.86 bb/hr through 287 hours. I’m unsure of Duke’s, but unless he had gone on a heater from 10/8 to 10/11 or left out some very strong sessions from 7/1 to 7/4, chances are I was ahead.

There were also LOTS of hours left, so a couple bb/hr either way was largely irrelevant at that point. The bet ended early, and there was no winner. I've never claimed to have won, or bragged about it in any way.

Duke Went North

Duke mentioned in a study group that he went north to cover a whale, and when I asked him if he did this sometimes, his response was “most times.” I told him that was cheating in the prop bet, and he owed me the $500 for cheating. During the argument, he acknowledged knowing he could be kicked out of casinos for going north. It’s also worth noting that at the time I was primarily playing in a 500 max game and Duke was playing in a 1,000 max game, so he already got to play deeper.

I tried to talk to Duke about ending the bet and getting paid, as I felt I deserved to be paid in full, or minimally to receive a penalty and end the bet. Initially Duke refused to discuss anything at all about it, and this led me to decide to post about it on 2p2.

The Resolution

After it settled down, Duke and I got on the phone and worked out a resolution. He paid me a penalty fee, which was NOT the full amount of the bet, and not even close to it. It was important to me to receive a penalty to make it known that I wouldn’t stand for people free rolling me in a bet.

I also apologized to Duke for jumping on 2p2 the day after everything went down and posting about it, and posted about this publicly expressing my regret for how I handled it. I said that I wished I’d waited a few days to give him a chance to agree to talk to me and discuss a resolution.

What terms were agreed at the outset of the bet?
If duke was allowed to play uncapped bi/match the biggest stack games towards the bet, demanding a penalty for his going north was you (cuse) freerolling him

Better cliffs:

The bottom line of the bet was that Cuse was technically correct but Duke didn't see any harm in what he was doing, which was blatantly obvious because he told Cuse he did it.

They had a disagreement and it was settled amicably. Every person who had an opinion already chimed in and it was settled.

They are friends who wanted to get past it and did. Why a person who is friends with either of them would bring this BS up again is the one who should be scrutinized, not Cuse or Duke.

Christ, enough already Brice.

Again this was almost a year ago, was settled between me and Duke, and was old news until people started trolling, and I don't want to get into a long back and forth. My interest is just in laying out facts to protect my reputation and getting people to drop the issue.

You asked a valid question though, so I'll answer... I was playing in AC mainly and occasionally elsewhere near Philly. He was in Arizona, playing at the places out there which I believe are all no more than 1K max. As far as I know neither of us had uncapped/match the stack games within our regions.

We had discussed where we'd both be playing, but no locations were banned. It was understood I'd be mostly at Borgata and Parx, SugarHouse once it opened and elsewhere in the region, and he would be mostly in Arizona. I suppose if he wanted to fly to New Orleans for a trip, that would have been his prerogative, but he had just signed a lease to be in Arizona around that time. As I said back then, I believe "don't cheat at poker" is an automatic rule in a poker winrate bet, so casino rules automatically apply.

Having never been to Harrahs New Orleans at the time I didn't even know there was a casino that had a match the biggest stack 2/5, so there's really no way I was trying to freeroll him. I felt he gained an unfair edge, plain and simple.

Thank you, +1000. Agree with all of that.

I have already stated why I posted it. Cuse publicly offered to anyone reading this thread and considering the offer should know about his dealings in past prop bets.

The evidence is out there and now anyone considering can avoid getting screwed again and knowing they won't make a bet they can never win.

I have no intention of changing cuse or any of his little followers minds. But my posts are to serve as more of a warning.

Cuse is also failing that the Arizona games have a $3 small blind as opposed to $2 and the max bet is $500, which makes it essentially a spread limit game.

He only wants to state the facts that favor him.

But both Cuse and Duke new that at the start of the bet. They did not both know that Duke would go north in games, only Duke knew that.

Knew

Surly the misspelling of one word makes the entire post/point invalid.

The logic you grammar/spelling nits have never ceases to amuse me. Perfect example of not seeing the forest for the trees

Right. But cuse only presents the side of the facts that are convient for him.

Anyway, grinding some 5/T today and w/r is NOT $260 an hour so I have to focus a little bit more.

I think 10 bb's is his claim, not 26 bbs, but whatever.

FWIW I have a hard time believing 10 bb's an hour over a really large sample also.

But as Cuse has said he doesn't have to prove his winrate and isn't interested in doing so, so I guess the rest of us will never know for sure.

If there was a realistic way to prove it, I would. I'm at 10.25 bb/hr in 1,528 hours combining 1/2, 1/3, 2/5, 3/5, 5/5, and 5/T. Since I retooled my game a bit, I'm actually doing even better, but live winrates don't even begin to matter until at least 1,000 hours...

In other news, had a huge comeback session yesterday. Got stuck about 1,500 in the cash game after the tourney, so down about 3.2K on the day. Made it all back plus about a $600 profit. A lot of it came from one guy I just whacked for about 2K in an orbit. In reality, it was self-inflicted. He had just sat down and played maybe five hands. He tried to bluff-jam pre on me in a straddled pot, and I called off for about 1K each with AK. It's an A high runout and he says, "K high."

Maybe two hands later I heroed off with TP2K on a tell. I post-oaked the river giving him 13-to-1 and he snap folded. A couple hands later, I made a massive 3bet with AQo, got called by him and one other villain, flopped broadway, and he check-raise jammed on me. He goes, "It's about 610 more," attempting to make the size look intimidating, but my chips were in the pot before he got to the amount obviously. I faded his flush draw (I also had the blocker/redraw if needed), and he walked away from the table in a daze.

What does this even mean? You've made 10bbs an hr at all of those stakes? Or you combined all your winnings and divided by avg buyin per stake and got a 10bb hr winrate?

Either way props.

Any of the phone apps track bb/hour $/hour etc. so it's really easy to figure out your bb/hr over multiple stakes

This.

Nah. You're just being a prick.

I'd bet you're the only person who believes this.

I folded two full houses last night... Ironically I was right on the one that's a call by the book and wrong on the one that's a fold by the book (88 on AAA flop when the PFR cbet into a 5 way pot and I was next to act).

On the other one I was getting over 2 to 1 to close the action on the river on a double paired board and in theory he had all of the chops and all of the overfulls and a range of bluffs, but I laid it down and got him to show me the winner.

I don't know if I could have lived with myself if I incorrectly folded two full houses in one session! Odds I ever fold two boats in a day again? Not very good!

Folding those full houses are way different than folding two full houses with just a single pair on board lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F_SXq0zSDY

Hey man, that's a BIG laydown for me!

Such a good album.

Had another monster session, but got angle shot out of $450 at the end (into a ~$350 pot) because the dealer wasn't watching the hand . The villain made forward motion out of turn in a way that I've seen ruled a bet in this room 100% of the time with at least five examples, so I checked a straight to him. He snap checked back... I called for forward motion, but because the dealer didn't see it, the floor wouldn't rule it and the shift super didn't want to go to the camera. The dispute also broke the game, which sucked... but it probably would have happened soon anyway.

That's just another form of variance at the end of the day... As Omar once said, "It's all in the game."

The last couple days turned my month around big time, though... Back at it tomorrow!