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2011, Onwards and upwards: 2-100nl, YouFaiil continues the grind! 2011, Onwards and upwards: 2-100nl, YouFaiil continues the grind!

10-07-2010 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkeeKong99
Yeah man, as I said I'm probably taking the same or near the same lines in those hands. Sometime the cards just don't fall how you'd like them to.
Ok that's good to hear as you play 10nl, shows i have improved and i'm very nearly there.

Btw, I got a copy of LeakBuster, and my leaks are as follows...

Too tight from UTG/MP
Not 3betting enough
PFR positional awareness, i think im focusing on position too much when making a decision in a hand, however i'll look further into this.
W$SD is too low, calling river bets too much, fold hands on earlier streets was one suggestion. But I think the hands I posted today are good examples of why it is so low.
VP$IP, too tight in general from UTG/MP/CO.
Not squeezing enough, I went through one hand with my coach and he made me realise the difference between a cold call and squeeze situation, i think there was a raise and a call, i had AJs and just called IP, this would be a prime spot to squeeze.

So quite a few things to work on, the good news is with the stats that my leaks are measured at against what is considered to be good/ok (+EV), i'm not too far off.

I'll also be starting a blog soon as well, will post a link soon, mainly focusing on my actual changes to my play and using leakbuster/HEM to find them, and then how i'm implementing change.
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10-07-2010 , 12:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by YouFaiil
Full Tilt Poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

SB: $3.40
BB: $0.44
UTG: $0.87
MP: $2.25
CO: $1.40
Hero (BTN): $2.97

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with J A
UTG calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.10, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.23) 7 J A (2 players)
UTG bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.12, UTG calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.47) T (2 players)
UTG bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.28, UTG calls $0.26

River: ($1.03) 5 (2 players)
UTG bets $0.37 all in, Hero calls $0.37

Spoiler:
Kh7h


I think this is why my W$SD at river is so bad :/.

Wasn't sure about just raising each street, I don't think I have him the right odds/price to call.

Anyone else here just shoving flop/turn?

bet more on the turn.
obvious fold on river
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10-07-2010 , 12:41 PM
@Skaplun, agree i should have raised more but is it still his mistake to call or am i giving him the right price and its therefore my mistake.

I can see why to fold the river, but that was 1 hand where i just couldn't.
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10-07-2010 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by YouFaiil
Rant of the session

Full Tilt Poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (BTN): $2.00
SB: $0.73
BB: $0.71
CO: $4.17

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with Q A
CO raises to $0.12, Hero raises to $0.35, 2 folds, CO calls $0.23

Flop: ($0.73) 4 9 5 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.73) 7 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.73) 8 (2 players)
CO bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

0% fold to 3bet, 60/40 over 92 hands, and 40% fold to c-bet, what do you do here? I think my line to check it down IP is the best, river call was jus out anger at this idiot who outflops me all day .
great 3bet, fold river.
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10-07-2010 , 12:45 PM
Again, had to call, idk why, was kinda tilt i guess, are you ever c-betting and betting turn as well or shoving at any point.
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10-07-2010 , 01:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by YouFaiil
Full Tilt Poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

SB: $3.40
BB: $0.44
UTG: $0.87
MP: $2.25
CO: $1.40
Hero (BTN): $2.97

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with J A
UTG calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.10, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.23) 7 J A (2 players)
UTG bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.12, UTG calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.47) T (2 players)
UTG bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.28, UTG calls $0.26

River: ($1.03) 5 (2 players)
UTG bets $0.37 all in, Hero calls $0.37

Spoiler:
Kh7h


I think this is why my W$SD at river is so bad :/.

Wasn't sure about just raising each street, I don't think I have him the right odds/price to call.

Anyone else here just shoving flop/turn?
I think given stack sizes a turn shove would be the best bet. I might also consider betting a little more of the flop so it's even easier to get it in on turn if he calls. This is the classic min-bet-donk-call line that so many 2nl short stack fish just love. It's so tilt inducing(!) but it's nearly always when they just have a tiny piece of the flop like this and just want to try and pot control. I've found just mashing the pot button is the best way to deal with it; don't give them the price they want to catch up.
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10-07-2010 , 03:01 PM
I also like to play at Nl2 this way ^^^^^.

You don't need to worry about pushing donkeys off their drawings hands. You want them to call you down. Play super aggressive with strong hands and if they are calling then make them pay for their draws. I don't mind the size of the raise on the flop because its quite dry but the turn is another world and due to stack sizes just shove.
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10-07-2010 , 03:36 PM
Sorry to interupt but lol at anyone saying the AJ hand is an easy fold on he river. Do we really worry about villain playing the hand like he did and having the back door flush.
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10-07-2010 , 04:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MartL
Sorry to interupt but lol at anyone saying the AJ hand is an easy fold on he river. Do we really worry about villain playing the hand like he did and having the back door flush.
+1
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10-07-2010 , 04:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MartL
Sorry to interupt but lol at anyone saying the AJ hand is an easy fold on he river. Do we really worry about villain playing the hand like he did and having the back door flush.
Exactly my thoughts, i'm trying to really look for mistakes and not just say "I run bad" but i know that calling on the river is a leak, probably my biggest.

But what can I do if I know im ahead, know they'll spew all there chips to me and then they river me.

I know I should probably raise the turn more often but if there calling then there calling and it saves me money by getting less in, plus a smaller bet/shove on the river makes it easier for me to call.

Ok so today I didn't play a whole lot, I spent most of the day messing around with leakbuster, so I went out with friends to play football, came in and then me my brother and 2 other friends played poker for ~2 hours. Very small amount, the 2 friends just play for fun etc.

I noticed I was having the exact same problems with the river calls, but last week I was running fine when we played and I had stacked a friend in like 5 hands just because i was c/c every street and getting paid.

The biggest hands were A7 vs A4, i raise pre, he calls, flop 732, i check, he leads, i check, he bets again, river a 4, he bets i call. Right up until the river i know where im at, i know im getting paid and boom, i called because hes the kind to just bet bet bet with 2nd pair.

Another hand i flopped top 2 pair, i check, he bets i shove (was short) he calls with AT on a AK9 board with 2 hearts, he needs running T's or running hearts, heart on turn, heart on river.

Another hand, my brother the "hero" of all hero callers, calls to the river with Kd high and a 4 to flush draw, i have Qd, he raises river and i call. Worst call ever :/.

Just thought i'd add that in as i'd love to play live once i have more money and think i'm learning the main differences by just playing home games once a week, i already have reads on some players, i notice my ego gets in the way more but generally im pretty solid all round.
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10-07-2010 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by architectpro
I also like to play at Nl2 this way ^^^^^.

You don't need to worry about pushing donkeys off their drawings hands. You want them to call you down. Play super aggressive with strong hands and if they are calling then make them pay for their draws. I don't mind the size of the raise on the flop because its quite dry but the turn is another world and due to stack sizes just shove.
Again, my point exactly, if there calling, there calling, i think turn was the mistake but more often than not, he's paying me off with bottom pair.

Someone tell me, i'm finally getting decent at 6max micro stakes poker and that i could sometimes run a little better .
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10-07-2010 , 05:02 PM
As far as bet sizing goes on that hand, you did not make it worth it for him to call on a FD alone. The people that will call half-pot bets will normally call full-pot bets in the same situations. Just commend him on his play and hope he does the same thing again (minus hitting his card, lol)
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10-07-2010 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkeeKong99
As far as bet sizing goes on that hand, you did not make it worth it for him to call on a FD alone. The people that will call half-pot bets will normally call full-pot bets in the same situations. Just commend him on his play and hope he does the same thing again (minus hitting his card, lol)
Ok so in future i'll take a little more time to think about the river cards that can come and how scary they are to me, and then factor this in to what I should raise to.

Atm, I just feel like nothing goes my way no matter how well I play or think I'm playing.
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10-07-2010 , 05:47 PM
Small session, $+1.39, bankroll 85.47, just give me a little run good and i'll finally finally finally finally be at 5nl!
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10-07-2010 , 05:55 PM
hey op just saw this thread was wondering how many tables you play, how many hands ur at, hours rb etc?
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10-07-2010 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Carumbo
hey op just saw this thread was wondering how many tables you play, how many hands ur at, hours rb etc?
I play 4 tables, i've logged since the start of challenge like maybe 60k hands but im just guessing, lifetime rakeback is at $76, and i try to play at least 3 hours a day. so 1.2k hands roughly.
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10-07-2010 , 08:17 PM
Small update and a thought...

So basically the job I applied for and had the interview for a while back is going through my details form and all the necessary checks etc but it looks like it might not be done as quick as i thought, next July seems to be "around the time".

Anyway, this is just a thought, just a theory, if I were to play poker full time until then and just to pay my mum keep/rent, then I would need to win at the following WR's (not including rakeback) playing 30k hands a month (reasonable imo could probably do a lot more).

12.6bb/100 @5nl,
6.3bb/100 @10nl,
2.5bb/100 @25nl,

As I said this is pretty much a theory and pretty much a last resort as I will still look for something else, either a course or another job, and of course i'm still at 2nl learning the ropes, but yeah, food for thought really.
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10-08-2010 , 02:21 AM
Don't count on that. You won't be making enough money below 25NL, it'd be easier to get a job.

12.6bb at 5NL is nearly impossible unless you run super well. It's considered crushing a level at 8+ bb.

I do aspire, like you, to make at least 2bb at 25NL though =)
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10-08-2010 , 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ohaithar
Don't count on that. You won't be making enough money below 25NL, it'd be easier to get a job.

12.6bb at 5NL is nearly impossible unless you run super well. It's considered crushing a level at 8+ bb.

I do aspire, like you, to make at least 2bb at 25NL though =)
Yep I agree completely, I did the math just out if interest last night and then thought about it afterwards and realised how tough that would be.

Yea I've been thinking about 25nl for a while, that was my original long term goal and I think I'd be happy with a 2-4/100 WR. Would be nice money as a side income as well for me being 18.

EDIT: yesterdays graph


Last edited by YouFaiil; 10-08-2010 at 06:14 AM.
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10-08-2010 , 06:27 AM
Full Tilt Poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

CO: $2.29
Hero (BTN): $2.15
SB: $2.28
BB: $2.86
UTG: $5.86

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with K K
UTG raises to $0.06, 1 fold, Hero requests TIME, Hero raises to $0.18, 1 fold, BB calls $0.16, UTG calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.55) 5 8 5 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.37, BB calls $0.37, UTG folds

Turn: ($1.29) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $1.29, Hero raises to $1.60 all in, BB calls $0.31

River: ($4.49) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Spoiler:
A5s


41/27 over 30 hands or so, anyone folding or are we always stacking off, i make his range up of medium PP's, 99-TT maybe JJ
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10-08-2010 , 06:36 AM
Full Tilt Poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (UTG): $2.12
MP: $2.17
CO: $1.27
BTN: $2.08
SB: $1.66
BB: $5.27

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $0.07, 1 fold, CO raises to $1.27 all in, 3 folds, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls $1.20

Flop: ($2.57) T 5 K

Turn: ($2.57) 6

River: ($2.57) 7

Spoiler:
AA


19/13 over 145 hands, thoguhts: hes short stacked, 3bet 7%, his range is wider than just AA/KK
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10-08-2010 , 06:55 AM
Full Tilt Poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (SB): $2.15
BB: $2.74
UTG: $2.00
CO: $2.09
BTN: $0.58

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with A Q
2 folds, BTN raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.23, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.17

Flop: ($0.48) K 4 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.35, BTN calls $0.35 all in

Turn: ($1.18) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($1.18) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Spoiler:
KQ obviously


0% fold to 3bet, playing 60/16

Full Tilt Poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

SB: $4.18
BB: $1.40
UTG: $1.71
MP: $1.95
CO: $0.67
Hero (BTN): $2.03

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with A A
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.07, 1 fold, BB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.15) 6 8 9 (2 players)
BB bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.14, BB calls $0.12

Turn: ($0.43) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.32, BB calls $0.32

River: ($1.07) T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Spoiler:
8T of course, wtf!


FUUUUU i'm not even going to suggest that I run bad, I just do...
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10-08-2010 , 07:20 AM
Full Tilt Poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand

Converter By DeucesCracked

Poker Videos


UTG: $4.54
MP: $1.51
CO: $2.00
BTN: $2.06
SB: $0.68
Hero (BB): $2.00

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with 7 6
UTG raises to $0.06, MP calls $0.06, 2

folds
, SB calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.24) T A Q (4

players)

SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $0.14, MP

calls $0.14, SB raises to $0.62 all in, Hero

requests TIME, Hero raises to $1.94 all in,

UTG calls $1.80, MP calls $1.31 all in

Turn: ($6.19) 2 (4 players - 3 are

all in)


River: ($6.19) J (4 players - 3 are

all in)


Spoiler:
KJ,AJ,QJ


I was certain someone had a gutshot and someone has had flopped

the nut straight, I was sure that on the flop, the PFR raiser

was c-betting with maybe TP + gutshot, the caller was on the

same and a fd, but wasnt sure, i was going to fold but the PFR

was 30/23, the caller 88/6 and the short shover 17/13.

variance , im pretty sure getting like 3.5-4 on my money and

with a fd its +EV? Also take into calculation that I was certain

no-one was folding here.


Full Tilt Poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Converter By DeucesCracked

Poker Videos


Hero (SB): $3.87
BB: $2.00
UTG: $1.01
MP: $2.00
CO: $2.00
BTN: $1.29

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with Q Q
UTG calls $0.02, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.02,

Hero raises to $0.15, 1 fold, UTG

calls $0.13, BTN calls $0.13

Flop: ($0.47) 6 J 5 (3

players)

Hero bets $0.30, UTG raises to

$0.86 all in
, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.56

Turn: ($2.19) K (2 players - 1 is

all in)


River: ($2.19) 7 (2 players - 1 is all

in)


Spoiler:
56s
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10-08-2010 , 07:33 AM
Hey,

Havent read of all the posts but have you played just 6 max or have you played full ring too?


***btw, having a little watch of your tables now***
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10-08-2010 , 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by mitchybenny
Hey,

Havent read of all the posts but have you played just 6 max or have you played full ring too?


***btw, having a little watch of your tables now***
Hi,

Just 6max and ok.
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