Theres a position pic 1/2 pages back maybe more but not too many to go through.

I wish i had a lifetime graph, unfortunately with all the HUD issues i had, i haven't been able to put one together .

There are no totals on that position one, but that's cool, I'll just add em up the old fasion way! Doesn't HEM have like a general tab which just shows the stakes you've played and then the amount of hands and your win rate etc? How many hands of you racked up? I really struggle with volume.

Sorry, i'll post a total of all 2nl hands that i have for HEM, its only like 26k or so, on my other computer, there must be like 50k, I'll see if i can get another HEM trial on there or something.

I think and im really not sure, ive probably racked up around 70k+ since the start of challenge, my PTR says like 100k total so maybe more than 70k.

My WR will be extremely low, i made a lot of money off the bonus and rakeback and have only really just started to beat 2nl with a decent WR.

Today's graph,

Started off well, lost a little to beats and some mistakes which I let get to me, then spewed 2 buy ins to make it even worse. Took a break, came back and had set over set, KK vs AA in like the first 15 minutes but I didn't let it get to me, my mentality was good, worked hard and managed to win back about 60% of my losses, ran a little worse towards the end and then quit for the day.

BR: $77.47 :/

I love it when theres some friendly debate over hands, and to think that im too late!!!!.

Either way villian couldve shut down after flop and have given us a cheap/easy showdown sort of like a floating but with the probably best hand. make sense?

@Rafybass, yep value in letting him bet into us with worse hands/draws and we have tonnes of 'fat' showdown value, which is how a lot of hands generally play out, it was super standard, it was my river call that I was pointing out .

You need to work on your spew. You should add more tables because if you're playing like 8-10 tables, you don't have time to tilt or get upset. Worked for me at least.

Also it's a dangerous trait to attribute everything to bad luck and bad plays by other people.

I strongly reccomend reading some of the COTWs at the uNL forums, I learned a lot from it. You should also try to read some of the hand histories that are being posted there and work out what kind of line you would have taken if you were in their shoes, and then read/discuss other people's lines.

Full Tilt Poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BTN: $2.24
Hero (SB): $2.42
BB: $2.87
UTG: $2.00
MP: $2.40
CO: $0.94

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with Q Q
UTG raises to $0.08, 1 fold, CO calls $0.08, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.36, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.28, CO calls $0.28

Flop: ($1.10) 3 A K (3 players)
Hero requests TIME, Hero bets $0.42, UTG raises to $1.64 all in, CO calls $0.58 all in, Hero folds

Turn: ($2.68) 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($2.68) T (2 players - 2 are all in)



Not sure about the c-bet, nearly timed down with that decision, after thinking about it, it's super thin value betting out and im nearly always beat here...

you can get your lifetime hh by e-mailing fulltilt

wow ok, going to do that now, will post lifetime graph very soon.

Session, 1k hands, $-5.50, I realise now more than ever that I lose most of my money from just being an idiot and tilting/spewing money so improving on this will be my number one priority from now on.

I hate to say it but several of us have mentioned a few times that you had tilt issues and you defended yourself as hardly ever going on tilt. We're doing that from a 3rd party perspective so it may be easier for us to identify but you definitely need to do something about this because tilt can kill, even when you work on it, it's still hard to control, everyone tilts some, but the best players tilt less than the others. I've mentioned Tommy Angelo's series on Deuces cracked and his book elements of poker as being good places to start with this.

How much time are you spending reading COTW threads, podcasts, video's, books, etc? I see a lot of playing going on and you responding to this thread but I haven't heard you say recently, "I read this in that book and I think it applies to my game or I was watching a video the other day and realized something that I'm doing wrong etc". That doesn't mean you aren't doing it, but I haven't heard you talk about it so???

It's not that you can't get good on your own, it just takes a lot longer if you aren't educating yourself about the game on a daily basis, outside of this thread and coaching which are good, but not enough imo for someone as serious about the game as you are.

YouFaiil,
Been following this thread quite closely for some strange reason. Maybe because your journey and postings is quite interesting.

Anyway, sorry to be so blunt, but you really should be beating 2NL after 3months of trying. I don't really know your leaks because I don't play 6max. But maybe I can offer a suggestion.

Play full ring.

6 max is generally a tougher, more agressive game. Maybe if you started at FR and learn the fundamentals, that can be more of a help. The key to beating 2NL is value bet value bet value bet. Its that simple.

Personally i would go the other way and learn to beat 6max and then move to FR. More tougher spots in 6max which serve you better for a move to FR. Getting them down you can then crush FR.
I went from 6max when i realised i could play more tables and the decisions were easier.
I honestly think he should stick at it, after watching him in the video i can honestly say that he plays quite well and his leaks are more subtle than anything else. For some people it just takes time before it finally clicks.


On the QQ hand im not sure i like the squeeze against an UTG raise but we dont know stats etc but we are defnatly not folding. There is no value in leading this flop in to two players. Its the worst possible flop for us and in a vacum we never get a worse hand to call. Heads up would be different against a good player as a good player knows this is a good board to float so we would be thinking about firing a second barrell on the turn. No need to worry about things like that yet though.

MartL,
Then you agree that 6max is a tougher game than FR. If YouFaiil cannot beat 6max..then shouldn't he move down a bit to an easier game?

Alright, you guys are right about not raising villain on the flop, my bad there. His turn check suggests his hand isn't very good. I think I was being too results-oriented, I would have bet river too and called the raise as YF did, nh.

Thanks for your polite responses.

@Dr._Hyde, Agree I have been defending myself with regards to tilt but I'm not the kind of person to try and say I'm good at something when I'm not, I was being honest when I said tilt didn't get to me, but now I've been at a $70-100 bankroll for quite a long time and it does make me tilt when I've had 2 failed 5nl shots and I'm still not where I think I should be.

I have no money for books or Deuces Cracked, I don't plan for it to remain this way, but I'm not ignorant about what people recommend, of course it's going to help me but I don't have much money to invest in poker at all so there are difficulties.

At the start I read a lot of threads mainly focused at 6max and the micros, the anthology, ryan fee's, a basic guide to 6max, how to beat the micros etc... but I 100% agree I play more than I study and I have neglected studying as well, mainly because and, I'm not sure if you've seen my video, I feel I'm at the stage where I can beat 2nl.

I understand where your coming from, it does look as if I'm just trying to get there without putting in the time studying.

@Sexdotcom, I 100% agree that I should be beating 2nl by now but I'm not exactly losing either and I think I've come a long way since the start of my thread.

I take it you've built a bankroll from 2nl upwards then if it really is just value bet, value bet, value bet... but I think there is a lot more to it than just betting your big hands, because even I can do that.

I don't play FR because I prefer 6max.

Btw, did you see my video?

@MartL, I'm agreeing that I should stick to 6max, and that it will eventually click and that yes it takes more time for some than others. I also think that I do play well and really should be at 5nl but there are either small things in my game that are keeping me back or that I have to get my tilt/spew if I'm going to move up faster and be more successful.

QQ hand: Forgot to post stats but UTG villain was 30% raise first in and playing pretty loose but I think I'm always going to squeeze here. 100% agree that I should never bet this flop, but at least I can realise that, I was just praying to see two folds which is bad play and -EV.

@Ohaither, I think river is a call to a smaller raise, but I think villain potted it and therefore it's a fold, but yea my W$SD is so low because I make those kind of calls, I want to say it's bad luck to river top two pair as villain has played his hand almost like air and caught his gutshot on the river.

Thanks for the posts as always, I think it's back to the drawing board with tilt/spew and how much study time I am putting in.

This is not true. I'm lifetime over 10bb/100 at 400NL, and just this year while running as bad as I could possibly run (I've played over 6 years so I know a bad run) I'm still at over 8.2bb/100 for 200-600nl.

Don't put limitations on yourself, or listen to others, just focus on making 50bb/100 and get as close to that as you can.

I was just thinking and I thought I'd expand more and see if someone can relate to this, when I tilt I will normally open shove atc or any hands im in and then quit rather than folding and sitting out like i should.

Sometimes when im tilting and in a frustrated spewy mood, i will shove as a "i don't know what to do" type of reasoning.

Hope this explains a little more about why i will be slightly down over a 1000 hands and then suddenly have huge drops.

My poker would be fine if i actually put the theory, maximise earnings when running good, minimize when running bad, into action.

Get table ninja, program the sit out of all games hotkey, instead of shoving press that button and walk away. L2SelfControl

Is it free? and I think self control is 100% what's holding me back, I can't see anything massively wrong with the way I play that's stopping me from beating 2/5nl and neither can anyone else (those who have seen my vid)

30day trial for tn.

Any more hands to look at?

I'll download TN tomorrow, no hands atm, didnt play a great deal today and when I did, I was just stupid...

Will most likely have some hands to post tomorrow.

Could someone tell me where to find this video? I would be interested to look at it.

Maybe this hand i history by now, but I found the discussion about what line to take here kinda intresting.

I think c/r is prolly the worst option, cause villian is not folding AQ ( I assume ) and hes prolly folding Q9 / AT. So do we really gain anything here, besides taking down the pot when hes airballing (which is not that bad actually )?

If he 3bet shoves when we raise him we're folding cause we're obviously beat? but unless hes super tight hes prolly shovving some hands we're ahead of aswell like flushdraws , open enders, 2overs and a gutshot? and it suxx to fold against those hands :P

If we c/c we're gonna get in some gross spots if he bets all streets ( assuming we check to him every time ), and we're prolly folding river unless we get a really good price I guess.
we do give him a chance to bluff, but we're not that happy about him bluffing are we, cause if he 3barrels ( which I gotta say alot of "bad" players will do if checked to on every street ) we're folding.
So by c/c all streets we're kinda turning our hand into a bluffcatcher and we really dont know what to do on the river.
Also some players could prolly bet this board with any queen 3times without thinking twice about it, and we really dont wanna fold to those river bets :P .

If we played something abit higher than NL2 I think C/C is the best option because hes gonna realize that we showdown value and hes not gonna bluff the river as often as some donk at NL2 ( I think :P ). ( and we could prolly also rep a flush on the river if hes somewhat good and will belive us )


If we decide to lead out on this flop he'll fold all his air which he would normally cbet so we do prolly lose some value. But we wont get in that many marginal spots where we dont know what to do, if we lead the flop. If he raises ( which I dont think alot of ppl do at NL2 with like flush draws, maybe combo draws not sure though) and we think hes kinda tight, then we could prolly happily fold.
The downside with leading the flop is that if he calls we're OOP and theres alot alot of scary cards that can hit and we assume he'll be calling with any draw he has, so we prolly have to c/c or c/f on scary turns and rivers which kinda sucks.

Im actually not sure what I like most when I think about it, its just a very very tricky spot to play cause theres so many gross marginal spots that u will get urself in.
I think its important to remember that this is NL2 and theres alot of fish out there that will do alot of crazy stuff and we dont wanna get in these kinds of marginal spots on the river, cause of that I might lean towards leading the flop to just get rid of his stupied bluffs.

Man we should never be OOP , it sucks :P


Anyways keep grinding man, variance might kick ur ass sometimes but stay away from the tilt and you'll do great!

GL!