as played, it's pretty relevant how he played his flush draws earlier -- you said chased, so i'm assuming passive? had you seen any aggression from him at all so far?

to highlight the absurdity of your preflop play, let me just hit you with the old adage of how you need to be disciplined enough to fold postflop if you were just playing to setmine pre

With a very low frequency, I have played big pp's with no raising throughout the hand. You need to do it in LP though, when someone has limped who is capable of: leading with draws, taking stabs at pots, bluffing, barreling more than 1 street.

I've never done it in EP.

That's not close to a horribly played hand. Got in Ak on a hi board for 100bb effective come on....

^ I had a night back in the summer, that exact flop, I had TT and got a guy ai for 100BB, he had TPTK. Later that night, different V, I was the one with TPTK and V had a flopped set, I only lost ~$25.

In the first hand, a guy overplayed a hand worse than mine and made it easy to get ai quickly. In the second hand, a guy overplayed a hand way ahead of mine and let me know to get away. They both played the hands horribly and I'm thankful for it.

"I felt like I was gonna get lucky." (aka Calling Off Most of Your Stack with a Draw)

One thing that blows my mind are the really bad lines LLSNL Villains take with draws. Although I've seen it with straight draws or combo draws, the power of the non-nut flush draw is strong in these players.

Two hands: Both are roughly the same and both involve a tiny donk bet on the turn.

Hand 1: 1/2. A couple weeks ago I saw this hand between an unknown V and a bad Reg who loves his flush draws.

V raises pf to ~12, bunch of calls including Reg (OOP). Pot ~ $70

Flop comes 2 suited. Reg checks, V bets ~ $50. Folds to Reg who calls.

Turn is a brick. Reg donks tiny $20 into $170. V raises to $100 essentially putting Reg all in, who would only have to raise an extra $12 AI. Reg tanks, and just calls.

River is a brick. Reg checks, V bets $12, and Reg folds.



Hand 2 (last night, 1/2). 3 limps, Hero in CO with KQ raises to $12, both blinds and all limpers call. Pot after rake is $67.

Flop QJ4

Checks to Hero who bets $50. SB calls, everyone else folds. (SB is very loose reg who would have raised 2 pair or better on flop. I range him on either 1 pair and/or draw).

Turn ($167): 9

SB donks $25. This screams blocking bet with a (flush) draw to me as he probably would have either bet more now with completed draw or 2 pair or c/r'ed. Hero raises to $100 with $125 behind. SB tanks and calls with only $50 behind.

River ($367): 7

SB checks, I roll over my KQ on the off chance he had some weird crap (he's not calling with a busted draw anyway), and he turbo mucks saying he had 35 and that he felt like he was going to get lucky.

2/5 NL

V1 - Loose Passive pre-flop hardly raises, but VPIP is probably around 40 as he limp calls often. Recently laid down trips on a paired board with straight and flush possibilities and thought it was the fold of the century (he was clearly beaten). Stack size ~800

V2 - Early 20's and has folded most hands and has only been at table for 1 orbit. And hasn't played a hand yet. Stack size ~ 300

V3 - Regular rec player that starts drinking around noon. Is aggressive post flop if he connects, somewhat fit or fold. Knows about some poker terms as far as calculating odds and the sorts but probably doesn't apply them properly like most recs. Stack size ~ 430

UTG - V1 straddles to 10
EP - V2 Calls
MP - V3 Calls
All else fold
UTG - V1 re-pops straddle to 50 total
Both call

Flop (150)
J85

UTG - V1 leads for 80
EP - V2 calls 80
MP - V3 pushes for 350 Total
UTG - Calls
EP - Calls

MP - Shows J9
UTG - Shows AA
EP - Shows 88

Turn J
River 2

Young kid scoops pot and claims he put V1 on AA and was set mining and rec player states he thought young kid was drawing since he just called the flop bet.

Two common mistakes:
Young kid not having the appropriate odds to set mine
Rec player, just an awful play all the way around, but something that is actually applicable that many players do. He spazzed out at the kid "drawing" that he somehow forgot the initial raiser was in the hand…

When I first started transitioning to casinos from online this is often a spot where I might find a fold if I was V1 if the stacks were a little deeper. I still do occasionally, but its key to identify these V's that spazz over random things that a thinking player might not even know they V is spazzing over. Hopefully that makes sense, sorry its a little wordy.

The Sherriff
cross post from the chat thread
V was tilting because hero was owning him. Mostly hero getting cards, but people can't tell. Starting to get looked up (even) light(er). Yay.
H open limps 56o in MP. It was a limpy table and I just re-read GG's well. What can I say?
Two more limpers and the BB. Four to the flop.

Flop (12) 347hh.
H bets 20 into 12.

V says "Hero's been pushing me around all night" and shoves about 250 more.
H calls and turns up the nuts. Another heart falls, but...
V turns up 7Xo (K7? Or A7?) in disgust.

I don't think I've ever seen such tilt before. I know. That makes me a total newb.

Brag: I saw the tilt coming as I pushed him off a couple of hands and just showed TPGK one too many times for him. I knew I had too get in pots with him. I could feel the Sheriff building.

Ignore my play (yes, open limp may be bad), but what did The Sheriff do? Shoved 250 otf into 12+20+20 = 52, so 4.5X pot with TPTK or TP2K in a 4 way limped pot. Live poker is dead.

I have an Ace, I should jam.

2/2 NL

Hero : Just sat down. Second hand. Know as aggressive reg. stack $200.

Villain : Spazzy pit gambler. around $200.

Dealt me 45 on the button. V open raises $10 utg. With me 2 more callers.

Flop : 239

V bets $20, folds to me I raise to $65. V jams, I snapped. Turn 4 River k. V flips AT off. I won with pair of 4's. I don't know what he is thinking to beat on my raise with AT off.

I love getting poker lessons from donks 2/5nl session.

I'm on the BTN with 98

V1 is fairly aggro (overvalues his hands) and raises $35 from UTG+1, eff stacks $500, I cover. Two donks call (they are at $1k and I cover), I call, 4-way action.

Flop(140) J T 7
V1 leads out for $200, the donks fold , action gets to me, Hero????

I jam for $500, V1 SNAP calls me.

Turn and River K 5

V1 shows AJ, I win with the straight.

V1 and another "know-it-all" donk proceed to berate me for the next 5 minutes for shoving the nuts on the flop as I'm raking in the chips he snap called me with

DGI the reason for calling is because you and the other two donks are over 200BB effective correct?

Similar to DGI - getting berated after dragging a big pot.

1/3 Aria.

Hero (Button) - very active, showing all kinds of hands, drinking, raising a lot and showing ****. $970

Villain 1 (UTG) - old man who may just be the worst poker player who ever lived. Folds when he has odds, pushes as a bluff when there's no way he's getting a fold, etc. Hero had just busted him and he rebought. $300

Villain 2 (SB) - young kid who's very serious. Studying the board a lot before folding, saying things like, "can't call. he's got to have me beat." He won a big pot AA vs. KK all-in pre. He's been patient but he's getting quite frustrated with my play and I can tell he's just itching to tangle in a big pot. $550

Hand:

V1 limps, plus 2 week limpers to me. I pop it to $18 with 64. Somewhat to iso Villain 1, but mostly just because.

V2 looks at his hands, then sits back, arms crossed for a few seconds. Frowns. He then very deliberately makes it $31 to go. ****er min-raised me.

UTG calls, others fold, and I make an obviously loose call.

Flop($102): J63

V1 leads for...$25.

V2 calls.

Now, if V2 had led out bigger and V1 folded, I might float with the intention of stealing on the turn if V2 checks. Or, if V2 had led out bigger and V1 called, I probably fold because there's no way I can expect them both to fold to pressure.

But to this small bet, I just shrug, and call.

Turn ($175): 4

V2 leads for $60. V1 calls.

I shove. I mean, if V1 has JJ, so be it. But I'm really ranging him mostly on overpairs here.

Both SNAP CALL me.

River ($1406): T

V2 turns over AJ
V1 turns over J9

After the pot is shipped to me, I get this from V2:

"6-4?? How do you play 6-4?? I even raised and you still called?? How do you expect to win any money at this game by playing crap hands like that???"

You made it $15 more, doesn't V need to make it at least $33?

last night at 1-2 witnessed this hand and post-hand talk:

Player A: Raise PF
Player B: Call

Flop: 39T

Player A: Bet
Player B: Snap call

Turn: T

Player A: Bet
Player B: Snap call

River 9 for a final board of 399TT

Player A: Bet
Player B: Thinks for about 3 seconds and calls

Player A: "Nice hand, nice call" and turns over AQ
Player B: Turns over pocket 7s
Player A: Looks at pocket 7s and turns to Player B and continues with "that's a nice call." Player B nods in agreement and says, "it just felt like you were bluffing, too bad you got lucky on the river.

Player A looking confused so I say, "you know you won right?" He rechecks everything as the pot is being pushed but with that look of, "I'm still not sure why I won"

I raise AA UTG ($10). Calls from 8 people and some guy two tables away.

Flop: 666 ($83)

I bet $25. 4 Calls.

Turn: 6666 ($208)

I bet $40. 2 calls.

River: 6666Q ($328)

I bet $66.

Should have bet more every street.

Hand is mostly irrelevant.

I raise pre with KK, 1 caller from the BB, flop JT3r. He checks, I bet he shoves I snap. Turn blank, river K. He proudly shows KJ, I win of course.

3 people at the table tell me "You got so lucky rivering his two pair."
"Yeah I did. Sorry man."

[ ] Poker is dead

after couple of limpers i raised with 76 from cutoff. one older italian backrounded gambler type called on the button. heads up to flop.

flop comes 7a2. I cbet just over half pot he called. turn 9 and check check. river was 6. i figured out he is somewhere between TT-KK and made a bit large (2/3 of pot) value bet. he snapped, i showed my two pair and before mucking he flashed his QQ. i asked him to what he can beat on this board and he answered. I HAVE AN OVERPAIR, I CAN'T FOLD.

Why would you ask him what he can beat?
Why would you ever want him to think about that?

Why didn't you shove the river?

I did. $66 covered both. 7 out of 8 opponents had something like 35-75bb.

Why in the **** would you say that? Why in the ACTUAL **** would you berate him at all? Especially after winning.

I wish he would have gotten up and gone and played in the pits or something.

Don't ever do that again.

4AM Sat, 5 handed 1/2 game.

Older guy and young gambooler have been battling, and old guy has been pwning. Young guy has lost the 200+bb he sat with (from broken table) and has bought in full twice.

UTG young guy straddles for 5, old guy first to act raises to 10. Folds to young guy who calls.

Flop Q73r. Check, bet, call.

Turn 7. Check, bet, call.

River 5, board Q7375 no flush possible.

Check, old guy bets, gambooler raises, old guy reraises, they get it all in.

Gambooler shows 76o old guy shows 73o and scoops.

My head asplodes.

I fully expect to find myself featured in this thread someday. ;-)

Moderately nitty young player raises at 1/2 table

Grifter trying to get people to play 10/20 7 card stud flats on BTN.

Flop QJ2. Nitty player bets, grifter calls.
Turn Q. Nitty player checks. Grifter checks.
River T. Nitty player checks.

Grifter: "Anybody but you I bet". He checks.

Nitty player tables QT. Grifter shows JJ.

Obvious check behind with like 3rd nuts after other player checks two streets to you duh.

Wow. Apparently grifter is one of the best players in the world and nit is one of the worst