Witnessed a ridiculous hand last night.

V1 is an okay TAG
V2 is a typical recreational player, breakeven at best.

4 way action, limps around, effective stacks $600.

Flop($20) Q Q J
chks to V2 who bets $20, V1 calls, everyone else folds

Turn($60) 9
V1 chks, V2 bets $40, V1 c/r to $140, V2 calls

River(340) 8
V1 shoves for 440-ish, V2 tanks and then says, "I have no choice, I gotta call" and he calls

V1 had Q9
V2 had KQ

What I find hilarious here is that every single playable combo of Qx beats KQ. Even QT makes a straight and the flush also got there. There are a billion different combos of death on the board but V2 just couldn't fold trips. But V2 "had no choice" and that is how rec fish think. When they have what they believe to be a strong hand, they just can't fold. They just can't. They are biologically incapable of folding big hands despite all the evidence screaming that they are beat.

In fact, my favorite is when the above happens and V2 through some miracle wins the hand (ie V1 was bluffing). V2 will often say, "Man, I was sure you had the full house" and what is hilarious is that V2 isn't lying. He 100% will make the call 100% believing that he is beat

that never ceases to amaze me, god bless LLSNL poker

very common. other night saw a situation where this guy (V1) called off the rest of the stack knowing he was beat just to prove to himself that he was beat and reiterate how unlucky he was (this occurred after a few bad beats and he was tilting, and playing pretty snug/decent before this).

V1 raises pre and it goes three way to the flop.

Flop: J73. V1 bets and one opponent calls.

Turn: J. V1 bets and the opponent c/r. V1 curses and says "i know you have a J", signaling he had QQ-AA

River: bricks. the opponent shoves and V1 does that age old "Okay, i know you have a J. lets see it. I call"

surely, the opponent had a J, and even though V1 was well aware of it, he had to call off his stack to prove to himself how unlucky he was. he didn't care about making the optimal play or laying down the worst hand. he started with the best hand, and just had to call even though he knew there was no way he was good.

bumb, because it is a great read, very helpful and may be unknown to newer posters.

this is actually an online hand, but played from a live player, and i guess this happens live too. if it is in the wrong place here, nevermind, just delete/overread.

i´m fed up with this punk, gotta put him in his place.

sometimes i play at a very small private tourney, and players there know i play a lot of online poker, so we talk a little about that. one of those guys deposited 50 dollars, ran it up to 600 (don´t ask me how) and obv decided to play NL600. off we go.

that´s how he told me the story.

yeah, i busted my online roll.
there was this guy who always raised to 18 (remember, 3/6), everytime. and i did let him run me over and was patient, but eventually i had enough of this punk, he raised 18, i called with KQ.

flop came K93, he bet 40, and i thought he had absolutely nothing this time again, so i went allin (600!!). but this time he had AA and busted me. so unlucky to run into him the one time he has it!!!!

could somehow convince him that the hand was poorly played, so nevermind. i hope he learned his lesson

Hand I witnessed from months ago at $1/2. First time I've ever seen a 6bet bluff pre at $1/2 and proably the last one lol. Eff stacks are $250ish. Folds around to the blinds. SB is a decent small winner, plays somewhat TAGish. BB is a lagtard.

SB limps in. BB raises to $7. SB quickly 3bets to $12 (obvious QQ+ or JJ+). BB responds with a 4bet to $17. SB 5bets to $60. BB quickly goes all in for $250. SB tanks, asks if BB has AA, then calls. SB has KK, BB has....J10o. Board runs out J98Jx.

Table is in disbelief at what just happened. I ask BB what he thought SB had and BB responded that he didn't care what SB had. He was dead serious.

that´s not typical though, the good ol 6bet bluff shove
nh though.

Pretty solid response imo

like you said, they know it deep in a secret chamber of the heart, or actually, they know it straight away, but, as you say, can´t just bring themselfes to fold. they really want to see what happened to them.

meh. sick run out, but i've probably done worse.

So THIS is the bbv thread.

7 handed 3/5 nl
Bozo utg $400
DMW sb $225.
Statue bb $700ish.

Bozo opens 20 utg, Speech lady flats, I used to love her Daniel Webster routine everytime she got AA. I see JJ and 3bet to $80 from the sb. Statue calls out of bb. Bozo calls. Daniella finds a fold.

AQ3. I see a check/fold. Check, Bozo bets $65. muck, S calls. Turn 9 Check, Bozo shoves all in, Statue tanked, which was normal because he never moves.

River is the J

Showdown drama for a minute as neither will show their hand. Statue says? did you get there, and finally rolls 98. Bozo mucks.

When I asked Statue said "What does he really have there anyway?"

I used to understand this game.

A funny hand I saw last night. Can't remember the action, but flop comes 838, guy shoves with 33, gets called by 1010 and A7 (lol) and obviously the 33 comes last. A7 wins. I love whoever is calling 80bb or whatever it was with A7 there

funny you mention an 883 board, last time I played, I raised AQo and fishy fisherman, board came 883, all black. He called a Cbet then we checked to showdown. He had 9dTd.

straight draw.

This is a good point. I think the best way to understand rec player logic is that, while they feel very strongly that they are beat (as they should), they haven't played enough or been successful enough to have faith in what they are feeling and therefore, since they could be wrong this time, they'll always call. Also, if they've ever made that call despite knowing it was bad, and their hand happened to be good in that circumstance, they will often call every time in the future since they might be wrong again.

Obviously faulty logic but that seems to be the way most fish think.

So A7 won and TT came in 2nd? Board ran turn 8 river 8?

V1: 50'ish, a complete donky calling station with no fundamental or idea about the game. He has lost a few hands in the last orbits and allways rebuys for $60. (Minimum is $50)

V2: LAGtard who is running as hot as you can imagine. Thinks that he knows every move of every player on the table. When he sees something, he explain to his neighbor what just happened. Draws for everything and rationalize to call anything. Loves to make CB's and to be aggressive.

1/2 , 9 Handed Table

V1:$38
V2:$200+
Hero:$180

V2 straddled OTB.
V1 (UTG) Opens for $25????, Hero (KK) calls, V2, thinks for 3 seconds and calls.

Pot ($80)454
V1 checks, Hero checks, V2 bets $10, V1 calls, Hero c/r All in... while V2 calls and V1 calls...

Board runs 45458

V2: shows J5o
V1: shows 54o
Hero mucks

V2: he gets mad with the dealer and says: Dam! I could have won the whole pot if you didnt put the other 5 there...

Villains donkey&LAGtards running hot will increase the "value" or equity of their hands to the sky.

Really can't believe the hand I saw the other night:

Asian woman raises preflop at $1/$2. Foreign man calls.

Flop is JJ2. He checks. She bets. He calls.

Turn J. He checks. She bets. He calls.

River J. She shoves - and not like $20 - probably close to $100.

So the board shows Quad Jacks with a 2.

And he calls with ...

This reminds me of a hand I saw a while ago.

Board was AQAQ6. 3 players on the river. Player 1 bets, player 2 calls, player 3 calls and tables his 55...

I play the board ... lol

Obviously he was either new to the game or a huge fish (can't remember which), but in my mind I do like to think he thought '1 bet, 1 call...I could definitely be good here'

Here's one from Saturday afternoon:

$1/$3 NL.

I raise to $12 with - what I thought - was 7s 8s.

Button 3-bets to $21. I don't fold to small 3-bets getting sick odds, so I call.

Flop is J96. I check. He bets $25. I raise to $100. He shoves for about $125 total. I call. Turn 6. River brick.

I say, 'I missed' and table my hand. He flips up 33. Dealer sees I had 6s7s and ships the pot to me with my trips ... LOL. Guess I should sleep more before I play.

A guy called my large river bet at a 1/2 one night after I raised pre on a 8 8 7 6 6 board and tables 33...

Thanked him kindly for the donation.

wow he had a sick read on you to get 33 in there given you're playing as if you have 87. getting it in with 3s and no fold equity is almost always bad because even if he has the sick 'you have 87' read he's still a 46% underdog, but wow lol. nice hand?

Hardly typical as ive never seen anything like it before but def donkalicious...
2-5nl
Hero 1k eff
Villian 280 eff
Villian is 30yo indian who is weak passive based on the hour or so hes been at the table

Folds to me on CO. I make it 20 with K7o. BB calls

Flop A68rainbow. I cbet 35. V calls
Turn 9♥ making a possible flush draw and giving me an oesd. I bet 80. V calls. River is an off suit 3. I jam for villians remaing 150ish. His range has so many non aces, plus i planned on triple barreling after the flop anyway. He hums and haws and finally finds a call😭....

I usually flip my called bluffs over immedietly for two reasons.
A) if i look strong and they misread my hand they may muck
B) i want to show bluffs to get paid later

This time though for some reason i thought about mucking for about 3 seconds and said F it and announced "king hi" and tabled my hand. He smiles and kind of shakes his head then he tables J5 OF HEARTS! Look back and the HH to really appreciate this one.

$1/$2 at the Cleveland Horseshoe. Raise to $8, 2 callers, then a young guy who just sat down makes it $30. Original raiser folds, two middle guys call.

Flop 46Q rainbow. Check, check, 3better makes it $60. First callers looks away from the action, towards me, smiles, and flashes his cards my way (so the others in the hand can't see). 46o. He shoves, the other caller calls again, the 3better shakes his head a few times, then calls.

Board runs out without them showing. 3, then a Jack.

46o shows. Other caller shows Q3o, for a higher two pair.

3better flashes kings and folds.

Board runs out 9951010. Heads up, lag bets $7 into $10 at $1/2 on river. Loose passive fish calls. Lag tables 77. Fish tables 66. Your three pairs is no good sir.