Zero read is given on the villain.

Only a bizarre back door straight came in.

The average 1/2 villain has a straight here never.

The average 1/2 villain doesn't same bet 3 times when they bink miracle 2 pairs like T8 or J8. Etc.

He doesn't bet 3 streets with air.

He doesn't bet so little with a set.

He often raises pre or bets more at some point with a big pair.

I don't really know what you thought he had then. Because he had exactly what I would have put him on that the table. A pair of 8's with a small weight to a bizarre 2 pair like 84 or 83 or an oddly played middle pair like 99.

I always get a kick out of these type of hands:

Game is $2-$100 spread-limit holdem (blinds are $1 and $2 with a $4 optional straddle).

Hand folds all the way to the Big Blind, who calls. I check my option with T5

FLOP: A34 ($8)

BB checks. I check.

TURN: 2 ($8)

Straight flush! Yippee!!! BB checks. Meh. He probably doesn't have a heart. I check and hope he tries to bluff the river or something.

RIVER: 2

BB bets $16. Yay! I figure it's probably a bluff, but I remember the words of Captain Zeebo, and apply them, raising it "max" to $116, hoping he hit some sort of bizarre full house.

Big Blind instantly reraises to $216.

I instantly re-re-raise to $316.

Big Blind looks at the board, then looks at his hand, and says "Oh ****" before reluctantly calling with 23

....Because, hey, anytime you can put 160 big blinds into a 4 big blind pot on the river with the 8th nuts, you kind of have to go with it, right?

yeah that ^^ type of hand is really bad since 33 and 44 (and the obv 5h) are often in your range there also (although you probably bet flop with them). He's gotta understand that folding to the 116 is an option although calling isn't awful. Raising is bad and then calling the 4b is really bad haha

not crazy about your turn check, but overall a good example of someone just staring down their own two cards. Happens allllll the time. Way to overbet when he likely has a "good" hand.

Like me.

Where I play, a standard continuation bet is 1/2 the pot, not 3/4. In the face of what to me is a squirrely bet size, I'd fold on the flop.

Obv, my game plan does not revolve around trying to beat tricky players. There are plenty who are only one iota trickier than the fish.

This is a very common mistake. Once, I had several maniacs at the table, and decided it was worth a chance to see a flop for $12 OTB with (5, 5). Flop hits: T, 8, 5x. Get in a pot-sized raise here, so now there's $300 in the pot. Turn comes: 3. The lead maniac bets $50, one caller drops out, realizing his straight draw is no longer any good, and I insta-call, getting 7 : 1 to hit one of ten possible outs.

River brings an 8x, and I'm figuring how I'm gonna stack the maniac when he decides for me, and shoves for his last $125. I insta-call and show him a Full, and he has a lot less than I figured, something like Q with another rag heart. He gets all upset, and so PO'd he leaves the table.

These types don't understand odds, outs, and bet sizing. Sure $50 is a lot of money if you're filling the tank of your SUV, but it's tiny as compared to a $350 pot that's laying 7 : 1 right now, plus the implied odds of getting in the remainder of his stack. He got needlessly PO'd when he should have realized that he simply didn't have enough money to make it too expensive to draw. He ships it OTT, I still have a call. Lots of players will bet some fixed amount from flop to river, giving no consideration to the odds they're offering their opponents when they do this. It makes hands you'd rather not see (A-little, suited) definitely playable.

On the other hand, I've seen them get flabbergasted when I'm betting 2/3rds pot, or pot with a hand like TPTK. They also don't understand the concept of going for thin value, or making it too expensive to call with nothing more than a drawing hand.

I don't know if it's a case of running nut-scared all the time, or if these are players who're more familiar with limit play, or whatever. It's a leak of major proportions that hurts them both ways: they let in draws and risk losing, and when they're good on the river, they drag tiny pots instead of big ones. They're happy to drag a $60 pot with a flopped Full instead of trying for stacks.

Playing 1/2nl right now at dream drooler table. (on phone forgive short post)
Hero is MP w 77, limps to me, I limp, family pot, bb chks 9-way action. Eff stacks 200

Flop(36) Ac Td 6d
Sb bets 20, UTG calls, folds to CO who calls, 3-way

Turn(96) Th
SB bets 35, UTG raises to 115, CO tank folds, SB shoves over the top, UTG sonic boom fist pump insta calls

River(456) Js
SB shows 66 for full house
UTG shows AQo

Analysis

What else could he do? Cooler.

Instead of sonic boom fist pump call he could shrug and reluctantly call thinking hes prob beat. I think the point of the post was that he thought two pair with a q kiker was the nuts there

But he had a pair of aces.

Same table, still on phone so sorry for short post.

5-way limp pot, hero is out just watching from sidelines. Eff stacks $175

Flop($20) Tc 8c 4d
Sb chks, MP bets 15, LP calls, BTN raises to 35, Sb calls, MP folds, LP tanks then calls.

Turn(115) 2d
Sb chks, LP chks, BTN bets $50, Sb shoves for 140ish, LP folds, BTN says, "i put you on a flush draw" and calls

River(420ish) Jd
Sb shows 44,
Btn shows T9

He had top pair. What could he do? cooler.

1-2 NL. Villain took a $500 plus pot off of me in a 5x raised hand with 9-5 suited when he flopped a Str8 over my top set about an hour before. I now have just under $300 bucks and villain has around $900. He's very loose especially in position and I have him tagged as an implied odds donkey, and he's looking like a genius tonight.

I pick up both red Kings two positions from the button. Mr. 95 is on the button.

One player limps I raise to $18 and he smooth calls me from the button. The limper folds an we go to the flop with $41 in the pot before they rake it.

Flop comes J 10 of spades and 4 hearts. I bet $30 bucks he thinks for awhile and calls.

Ace of spades comes on the turn. I check and he bets $75 and I fold.

Can I ever continue here?????????????

MUBSyism in action:

Game is $2-$100 spread-limit. Me and Villain each have stacks of around $300. 4 players limp, Villain in the SB completes, I check in the BB with JT.

FLOP: 678 ($12)

Everyone checks.

TURN: 9 ($12)

Bink! SB leads out for $8. I raise to $48, since, at this level, no one can fold a straight to the 10. Everyone else folds to the Villain, and, sure enough, he calls the $38, and I'm just praying a Jack doesn't fall on the river, which is:

RIVER: K ($108)

Villain checks. I bet the maximum of $100, while likely lipping my lips in anticipation. Villain tanks for a minute, then says, "OK, I guess I call."

He tables T2 for the flush.

Nice raise, buddy!

If you really believe that, shouldn't you be raising to $108?

Villain (725$): Shakes a little bit, and always verbalizes his best when he feels like he has the nutz. Done it 5 times, hasn't failed yet.
Hero (~650$)

(Reads in The Real LLSNL? Crazy, but it's relevant.)

Pre flop:
4-5 limpers, and hero checks his option from the BB with 67o

Flop: (15$) 5310
Lots of checking, BTN bets 6$
Hero calls, what could go wrong?
Villain calls

Turn: (~34$) 4
Hero checks (why not...)
Villain checks
BTN bets 15$
Hero calls
Villain says 145$ (what?..
BTN folds
Hero shoves
Villain calls and tables A2....

This is why you should always match the fishybig stack.

Effective Stacks 245$
Hero raises with 109o from LP to 14$
BB calls

Flop: (26$) KQJ
V checks
Hero bets out 20$
V instantly says 35$ and then has to correct it to 40$.
Hero tanks and raises to 95$
Villain flats

Turn: (215$) 3
Villain checks
Hero shoves for 155$
Villan snap calls and tables KJ
Hero shows 109, and holds FTW

And villain says, well if you raise with those cards, you deserve to win, I put you on better pre flop.
Thanks for the money broseph, but really, you didn't think for a moment that A10, KK,QQ,JJ, KQ any of those have you smashed? Well played sir, well played.

agreed, shadowdodger, fish can't fold any 2 pair, even on boards like this.

"2 pair, arrrrr-in"

cooler. he had two pair.

Top pairs the nuts

Hero ($750)
Villain ($650) - has lost 2.5 buyins in last 20 min...

2/5 NL

Hero raises utg to $25 with AK, villain calls, all others fold

Flop: ($50) KJ4
Hero bets $45, Villain calls

Turn: ($145) KJ49
Hero checks, villain bets $100, hero raises to $250, villain calls

River: ($645) KJ498
Hero bets $150, villain calls with K7

Villain was donkalicious, no doubt, but I would like to hear what you were thinking when you (a) checkraised the turn and (b) only bet $150 on the river with villain having about $330 behind (essentially 1/2 pot).

Yeah what is the point of turn and river lines there?

I must of had stack sizes wrong. I'm pretty sure villain had closer to $200 left. I could of easily shoved, but I thought it may look more like I was bluffing diamonds if I bet less, and I was pretty sure if he had anything other than a pair he's all-in on the turn, and that he'd check the flush draw behind.

I'm calling his all-in if he does care to shovel the last $50 in...

Turn was for value 100%

River while not much changes because I'm pretty sure he checks flush draws behind, there is the possibility that I'm wrong or he hit two pair, in which case if he flats I save money and if he shoves i'm calling anyway

If the turn is for value the river is a shove. You have so little left behind that not shoving is stupid because you're never folding if he raises for like $50 more.

If you're that afraid of 2 pair on the river then the turn is a flat call.