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bolded - unless you're on a GM staff of an NFL team, i'm not sure how that could be possible.

current 6th and 7th round picks only have a 10-15% chance of making it to year 5, we're not talking about a large pool of players moving to second contrcts.

They get paid to do it ergo not a waste of time lol.

Although most franchises don't seem to bother tbh.

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12-11-2020 , 12:30 PM

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10-15 iirc.

not 10-15/year

95 - 1
96 - 2
97 - 1
98 - 3
99 - 2
00 - 2
01 - 5
02 - 1
03 - 5
04 - 8
05 - 9

3.5/year. granted, they were starting to go off the rails in 04/05. in 2005 there were 60 players taken, so 15% were HSers. don't get me wrong, i believe the rules the NBA and NFL have protect the teams from themselves and are probably beneficial for the league, but as the NBA has shown, once given the opportunity, teams start to do stupid things.

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12-11-2020 , 12:31 PM

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I seem to recollect completely wrong lol

These were the ones drafted. Others declared but weren't drafted. Not too wrong by the end. Best 1 in parens (imo).

1995 - 1 (KG)
1996 - 2 (Kobe)
1997 - 1 (TMac)
1998 - 3 (Rashard Lewis)
1999 - 2 (JBender lol)
2000 - 2 (DStevenson)
2001 - 5 (TChandler)
2002 - 1 (Amare)
2003 - 5 (LeBron)
2004 - 8 (DHoward)
2005 - 9 (LouWill?)

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12-11-2020 , 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot

3.5/year. granted, they were starting to go off the rails in 04/05. in 2005 there were 60 players taken, so 15% were HSers. don't get me wrong, i believe the rules the NBA and NFL have protect the teams from themselves and are probably beneficial for the league, but as the NBA has shown, once given the opportunity, teams start to do stupid things.

Yeah, it only became a problem when everyone decided to do it.

Teams, overall & in every sport, are ridiculously smarter than they were 15 years ago. There was such an assymetry of knowledge & understanding of analytics. Now most teams are at least semi-competent, which is boring, but was inevitable.

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12-11-2020 , 12:39 PM

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Interesting - I had assumed lots of HS players came out but weren't drafted, but apparently there were only 6 from 1995 to 2004.

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12-11-2020 , 12:39 PM

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Yeah, it only became a problem when everyone decided to do it.

Teams, overall & in every sport, are ridiculously smarter than they were 15 years ago. There was such an assymetry of knowledge & understanding of analytics. Now most teams are at least semi-conpetent, which is boring, but was inevitable.

and that is basically the point i was getting at because once 1 does it and is successful, then everyone tries.

i doubt they change the rules anytime soon, especially because the NFL prides itself on parity to keep markets engaged from season to season and week to week. adding more speculation would just **** over the Jets and Jags.

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12-11-2020 , 12:53 PM

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Eh, KG/Kobe/TMac were all 7+ years before the influx.

& yeah, I think the NFL is pretty set in their system. If they were going to tweak it, maybe add 1 more year, not 3.

NBA has been rumored to be getting rid of their 1 year rule for a while now.

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12-11-2020 , 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher

Living in a house, eating food, and not getting beaten does not constitute a decent life. When you're a slave you can't go drink lattes at starbucks. You can't go to the big rager at the fraternity house. You can't hang out at whataburger at 3 in the morning and you certainly can't just stay at home and play PS4 with your buds.

Based on this, I'm currently a slave! (apart from being allowed to drink lattes at Starbucks, but lol @ coffee)

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12-11-2020 , 02:40 PM

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So if I'm a high school football star(also basketball) but forced into the NBA when I wanted to go to the NFL am I a slave or not guys?! I need to know!!

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12-11-2020 , 02:48 PM

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My personal fave clueless narcissist is really ramping up the lollz. My man Butt Sym has done it again and is in the process of shooting his wad while margined to the hilt on a single shady stock. Check it out for some slow mo train wreak ackshun!

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12-11-2020 , 02:56 PM

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he hasnt gotten punished for it lately. dude thinks hes amazing for making money in a market that basically went straight up for 8 months

what's supper funny though is that he owned like 20k shares in NIO when it was at around $3-4 in december/january. that stock is currently in the low $40s. he lost money on that stock

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12-11-2020 , 03:05 PM

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Linky plz

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12-11-2020 , 03:10 PM

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Linky plz

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...l#post56759715

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12-11-2020 , 03:11 PM

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Linky plz

here u go mang

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12-11-2020 , 03:13 PM

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I bought into NIO super late at $20 and still made more than him on it lol.

I sold at $44 once my cousin messaged me to ask, "Hey so this NIO is it a good time to get in?"

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12-11-2020 , 03:15 PM

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I bought into NIO super late at $20 and still made more than him on it lol.

I sold at $44 once my cousin messaged me to ask, "Hey so this NIO is it a good time to get in?"

almost exactly the same for me. in at 28, out at 50

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12-11-2020 , 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RobFarha

itt today: are college athletes and civil war slaves the same thing?

They aren't the same thing.

College athletes are world class slaves.

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12-11-2020 , 03:50 PM

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Plus it's a total crapshoot. Here are the 2016 High School prospect rankings:

https://247sports.com/Season/2016-fo...oup=HighSchool

How many of these guys would you be happy your team drafted in 2016? 2 of the top 35?

Too lazy to check details 5 of the top 10 1st rounders?

Gary Oliver Brown Lawrence and Bosa?

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12-11-2020 , 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by squid face

My personal fave clueless narcissist is really ramping up the lollz. My man Butt Sym has done it again and is in the process of shooting his wad while margined to the hilt on a single shady stock. Check it out for some slow mo train wreak ackshun!

Bolded really made me smile.

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12-11-2020 , 05:11 PM

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Butt Sympson is awesome lol.

Butt Symp for short.

Last edited by Mr Spyutastic; 12-11-2020 at 05:12 PM. Reason: The p can be silent if you want.

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12-11-2020 , 05:17 PM

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It’s stuff like this that make the clock turn when I’m waiting to leave work (only been here an hour).

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12-11-2020 , 05:21 PM

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I was going to mention practice squad but it hardly seemed worth it since it's such a meager development tool.

& yeah, the NFL would take on a development system if they had to, but it would cost them a ton of money & they'd have a hard time getting the best coaches since there would be significant incentive for them to stay in college where they'll continue to get paid more.

Maybe I missed the point of this argument?

We're arguing whether collegiate slaves would have better stock in a league of 18 year old investors.

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So if I'm a high school football star(also basketball) but forced into the NBA when I wanted to go to the NFL am I a slave or not guys?! I need to know!!

The infantry is the last vestige of the old forced servitude. I guess the difference is you can't be bought and sold to a foreign power. Of course there's a political way to make you do the same thing.

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My last uber driver was an options trader. I asked him to define it and he got it fairly right. I then said that sounds like gambling and he yelped "Yeah I like to gamble too"

I felt a little bad stiffing him and reporting him for using his mask as a beard guard.

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12-11-2020 , 05:28 PM

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Not sure if anyone has proposed this, but I think a system where a player can declare for the NFL draft once at any time after they turn 18 & if they're drafted in the 1st round or 2 they can enter the NFL & if they're not they're taken off the draft board & allowed to return/go to college until they reach the normal eligibility requirement, would make some sense.

That way players who are clearly ready to contribute could start earning money - I think this would be especially important for RBs - & those that aren't can get a free education & blah blah blah.

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12-11-2020 , 05:37 PM

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The real solution is for the NCAA to start allowing it's athletes to be paid. There are many collegiate stars that will never have success at the NFL level. Football players are not ready for the NFL at the age of 18 in any form, shape or fashion. It's a completely different situation than other sports like basketball.

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12-11-2020 , 06:28 PM

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That 'solution' is being worked out now. The football players will get a little piece of the action without sniffing anything close to a middle class salary. That immediately leads to a new 'problem' when the womyns crew team wants an "equal" share; of what the men get and not of their sport's non-existent revenue stream.

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