I prefer a flop lead myself, and to continue betting on the turn when the straight comes in. If our image is aggro at all, I don't see any reason to deviate from a b/b/b line which doesn't look super-nutted.

Since that's not the line we took, AP, H c/r to $165. Next action please.

No. Def not time for next action. Flop hasn't settled down yet. Discussion of the check OTT hasn't settled down yet. You're the firs one to even talk about sizing on the c/r.

Patience, grasshopper.

I'm donk leading the turn $30-35

don't know the games you guys play in

but a c/c flop; donk lead turn small in my games looks like a blocker bet by someone trying to set a cheap price to see the river
and gets met with a huge overbet 90% of the time

I like the decision to xr on turn. Going 185 - 265.

Leading flop seems like a bad idea, and even call seems speculative.

This b/b/b line only makes sense when you hit 7 or maybe queen on the turn though. Otherwise, this just seems like torching money to me. We’re betting into 5 players here on the flop.
As I believe Javanewt pointed out, even the Queen is potentially a death card for us here and BDFD is almost worth discounting entirely imo.
I mean, we’re 6 handed on a rainbow flop. There’s probably a couple BDFD’s out there that have more equity than mine, plus 4 players have position on me.
Honestly, I’m pretty surprised that more than half the people weighing in are advocating donking the flop here.
If I have Q-10dd here I’m at least 50% more likely to donk the flop into 6 players because my 8 outs are all nutted.
As is, I really don’t see it being more profitable than c/c.

b/b/b may be the exact optimal line when you have the backdoor to the flush as well, which is around 2% of equity

if you took a bet bet bet line here 100% of the time I believe it will show a net profit because you take people off the best hand, Jx so often and suck out vs better, we will beat Ax 1/3 of the time and Jx can't stand 3 streets

they have to play near perfectly in order to not lose money vs your range of cards, you can have bottom two and QT to take the exact same line, plus we block the ten so we definitely are not worried about a queen turning, in fact it's a better card to make 2 pair for them so in the end it will even out that a Q is a nut card, plus any diamond can be played as a nut on the tturn

also, ppl at this level aren't usually calling down with the bad Ax they limp with

I see what you’re saying, but I have to respectfully disagree here. If we bet flop, miss our OESD and bet again into an unknown amount of players what if we get raised? Are we really stacking off (or in the very least committing half our stack) on the turn with one card to come and only str8 draw outs?
I agree with what you say about the 10 blocker being a good thing, removing some k-10 combos, but still, this just seems like an overly optimistic line to take here.
If I miss turn AND river I’m forced to triple barrel a substantial bet (maybe all-in at that point) and count on somebody with at least Ax or two pair+ to fold. I just really don’t like putting myself in a position here where I’m potentially stacking off triple barrel bluffing in a 6 person hand OOP.
I will triple barrel bluff some spots with equity, but I really dislike it here.

This is very game dependent. In the Midwest, they often are, even at 2/5.

If you have it all figured out, why even debate the flop? Seems like your mind was set on the check already.

We're already on the turn, so let's talk about the sizing for your c/r.

Does this seem like somebody who is claiming to have everything figured out?
I said that I see this as fairly straightforward, not that everyone suggesting donk flop is wrong. How else can I defend my thought process with explaining it??

I also said that during the hand I considered donking the flop and decided against it?

check call is fine OP, I think it's fine to switch up and check/call some of the time and bet some of the time depending on table dynamics but defaulting to bet, but sometimes it's just too aggressive, you have to engineer your table image

check the turn too, it's an innocuous card so people should bet

oh and I pretty much raise pre 100% but that's just me

Too much to explain but the passive pre, passive flop, check/bomb turn line is way too unbalanced and obvious. Only arguments for a line like that are lower variance/losing the min or folding for cheap or some fishy logic.

I get what you and KT are saying wait and i’m not even disagreeing.
There are other hands that I would rather be aggressive with pre here to take down dead money. 8-10 suited plays well multiway and I didn’t want to inflate the pot OOP in this instance.
The hands I raise in this spot pre into multiple limps are usually a bit better or a fair bit worse. Suited connectors are hands that I would rather raise in LP or BTN here, not OOP multiway, but again, feel free to explain to me why this is faulty logic.

too much thought for me. were both just more aggressive in general. nothing wrong with checking the bb here.

Sure but c/r

1.) ensures at least one bet goes in and

2.) allows us to play for stacks easier if villain is really strong.

Thanks for all the thoughts so far everyone. I agree that my decision to go check/call on the flop is due to my proclivity for lower variance at this point in my general gameplay approach.

Moving on...

I check turn, main V bets 55 into pot of 105, BTN regrettably folds, I check-raise to 175 (a bit small I know), V takes 10-15 seconds then calls.
At this point in the hand I have V mainly on two pairs and sets.

River is the 5 of hearts.

So board is Ad - Jc - 9h - 7h - 5h

Pot is now 455-ish and V and I both have between 850-880 left.

Hero?

200

Why so small?

Given pre action and b/b/c I think V has Axhh/ A9/J9
I Discount 97, 99,77 mostly but it may be possible he is wider than this

With bd flush coming in I think 2p/unlikely set will not raise river to a large bet and only flushes will raise

b/f 350 imo, whatever you think reg will call riv with 2p

Half pot? Need to target 2 pair mostly and fold to a raise. Looking for crying calls when the flush hit.

That is less than half pot. While I agree that we are b/f, I think we can get more value from 2p than that. The flush was BD, and shouldn't be too scary for V. I go at least $300 here, and probably more like the proverbial tree fiddy.

H - “And that's When I realized V wasn’t a V at all, it was the damn Loch Ness monster”
Waitress - “I thought he was nice...”

I’m in the $350-400 range.

What do y’all think of the turn c/r size? Close to appropriate? Too small?
Okay, last decision here since responses have died down.

Turn is 5 of hearts and I feel pretty comfortable betting with the board not pairing as I have V on mainly sets and A-J, A-9.
I decide on 240, with my rationale being that this feels like a spot that I’ll get quite a few more calls from two pairs with this sizing than over 300.
I have been waiting for a good spot to say tree-fiddy during a game though.

So I go 240 into the pot of 455, V takes about 3 seconds and announces all-in with a double backhanded sweep of his hands over top of his remaining stack.
V reveals himself as the LochNess monster.
H pukes more than a little bit in his mouth, and does his best to swallow it without anyone noticing.

So now it’s around 625 back to us to win 935+his 625 overshove.

Thoughts?

(This is the longest I’ve ever tanked at this game, usually I make my decisions pretty quick)

* Waitress walks over to the Loch Ness monster and starts giving him back rub after giving him a double malt scotch to sip while I sweat out my decision.