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07-02-2012 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
yeah if I was a LEO or lawyer or anything like that I'd definitely be packing
If I get this job it's going to be a complete lifestyle change. In fact with all the stuff I will see it will probably make me an even bigger advocate for law abiding citizens to carry.
07-02-2012 , 03:17 PM
My brother worked in a DA's office for awhile. It was suggested that he start carrying a gun in his car.
07-02-2012 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
Listen to be at 50 $/hr you need to be the best player at the table almost all the time which means you are top 10% by definition and likely need to be top 5% to overcome random variance of having other "good players" at your table

Anything north of 50 I would chalk up to running good or good games with deep stacks
Even if all of this is true, it doesn't address SABR's win rate at all. SABR is not top 10% or top 5%. he's more like, probably the best player likely to se foot in a Turning Stone cash game in any 5 year period or something like that.

He was one of the bigger winners in online mid stakes poker. Several of my coaching clients have been people who were making their living at 5/10 and 10/20 live and struggling to win 2bb/100 hands in the same game SABR was beating for 6bb.

I was 100% serious the other day when I said he's probably in the top .1% of all players.

(I'm just saying all of this because I don't think he'd say it for himself, and it deserves to be said.)
07-02-2012 , 03:29 PM
LEO(Law enforcement officer). Google is my friend today, I would love to be a officer but I wouldn't pass the lie detector test. I have been a gang member and have done extacy and weed before, smh.
07-02-2012 , 03:34 PM
Phil Ivey could, he is mentally tough.
07-02-2012 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
Even if all of this is true, it doesn't address SABR's win rate at all. SABR is not top 10% or top 5%. he's more like, probably the best player likely to se foot in a Turning Stone cash game in any 5 year period or something like that.

He was one of the bigger winners in online mid stakes poker. Several of my coaching clients have been people who were making their living at 5/10 and 10/20 live and struggling to win 2bb/100 hands in the same game SABR was beating for 6bb.

I was 100% serious the other day when I said he's probably in the top .1% of all players.

(I'm just saying all of this because I don't think he'd say it for himself, and it deserves to be said.)
Yeah I definitely don't mean to downplay the achievement just that there is likely a cap on winrates and its entirely possible that SABR is there but without knowing the structure it is just conjecture.
07-02-2012 , 03:35 PM
Is turning stone still small?
07-02-2012 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 1ns71nct
Phil Ivey could, he is mentally tough.
I would have to disagree. You are leveling yourself if you think you can pass a lie detector test. I think I could but the reports say otherwise.
07-02-2012 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
My brother worked in a DA's office for awhile. It was suggested that he start carrying a gun in his car.
The juvenile court judge in a college town in Virginia where I first practiced was a former DA(we actually call them something else) who had had both of his arms blown off by a bomb placed in his car (he picked it up).

When I was a prosecutor, I was attacked in the courtroom by a guy being sentenced for malicious wounding because the judge said " I am going to accept mpethy's recommendation..."

A fellow prosecutor had been jumped outside the court house by a criminal he had prosecuted.

This was all in a fairly rural area.

Carrying a gun (assuming you're well trained) is a wise precaution for any prosecutor, IMO.
07-02-2012 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
Yeah I definitely don't mean to downplay the achievement just that there is likely a cap on winrates and its entirely possible that SABR is there but without knowing the structure it is just conjecture.
You would also have to factor in he is fearless with money. His bankroll is big. He pays taxes bigger then most peoples bankrolls. He is not going to keep losing at 99.9% of his tables.
07-02-2012 , 03:41 PM
wow that's pretty insane.

How far did the guy who attacked you get?
07-02-2012 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks
You would also have to factor in he is fearless with money. His bankroll is big. He pays taxes bigger then most peoples bankrolls. He is not going to keep losing at 99.9% of his tables.
Just nod dude.

I never see you reason why Ivey is winning, so why do it with SABR?
07-02-2012 , 03:52 PM
If I won a huge 6figure bankroll I would kill lowstakes that's why. Bankroll plays a huge factor in ivey's winrate as well. Ill give you my top 3 things you need to crush poker.

1) Huge Bankroll

2)Poker skills and knowledge of recognizing patterns.

3) Emotional control.

1 and 2 is a must to be a huge winner. 3 you coould get by with until you reach players who play optimal.
07-02-2012 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks
I would have to disagree. You are leveling yourself if you think you can pass a lie detector test. I think I could but the reports say otherwise.
When I represented criminal defendants who were actually innocent (very rare, btw) they would usually offer to take a polygraph.

I would tell them, "look, you don't want to take a polygraph on whether you shot Abe Lincoln, ok? Those things are a joke."

There are two issues:

1. The test is inherently unreliable. They work on the assumption, oversimplifying, that a truthful person will be completely calm and that a dishonest person will involuntarily show specific signs of stress.

But being in a situation where your continued freedom is at issue is inherently stressful, and if when they finally ask you " did you shoot so and so?" after 15 minutes of calming you down with irrelevant questions, most normal people's stress levels will spike because "omg, this is it!"

2. If you're a criminal defendant, the police/prosecutors won't care that you pass a polygraph unless it was administered by their guy. And their guy is ALWAYS either a cop or an ex-cop, who has a cop's built-in bias that if you're charged, you're guilty.

In fact, lie detector tests are notoriously easy to beat. The Lie detector literature I have read says the CIA trains it's people to beat the test with simple tricks like biting their tongue during the irrelevant baseline questioning (pain = stress) and holding their breath.

All of this is why they can't be used in court. Because they are a joke.
07-02-2012 , 03:58 PM
Yeah the entire point of the polygraph is as a bate and switch to get you to admit to everything under the assumption that the polygraph works correctly.

Little factoid: men who have had a prostate exam test positive for being homosexuals on polygraphs.
07-02-2012 , 03:59 PM
Wow, those are good tips. When I'm bluffing I usually hold my breath for a moment. Idk why I do it. But what you said is telling me to keep doing it, lmao.
07-02-2012 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks
If I won a huge 6figure bankroll I would kill lowstakes that's why. Bankroll plays a huge factor in ivey's winrate as well. Ill give you my top 3 things you need to crush poker.

1) Huge Bankroll

2)Poker skills and knowledge of recognizing patterns.

3) Emotional control.

1 and 2 is a must to be a huge winner. 3 you coould get by with until you reach players who play optimal.
You have a tendency to reason your personal flaws with factors beyond your control. I urge you to look into that as a recommendation.
07-02-2012 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks
If you lived in the hood or watch first 48 you would see or hear plenty of stories. Where cops and gangstas accidentally kill someone. Its natural instincts for the mind to do that when carrying a gun. Its because people know you carry guns so you become a little paranoid. You have to train your mind to not think like that.
I'm not a cop, nor a gangsta, therefore your "natural instincts" carry absolutely no weight in most law abiding citizens. I rarely think about carrying. I sure as hell don't have a paranoid mindset about it.

There are enough people that are against guns that I don't doubt there are some random studies aimed at their point. My post on here won't change your views if you believe them. That's fine, just know not everyone who carries are like the ones portrayed on TV.
07-02-2012 , 04:01 PM
Top Dwan just got coolered by a Russian guy and bust DN on the same hand. Phil galfond raises and DN shoves for 335,000 the russian guy 4bets to 700,000 Dwan 5bet shoves with Aces. And loses to the russians flopped top set. That's ****in brutal.
07-02-2012 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks
If I won a huge 6figure bankroll I would kill lowstakes that's why. Bankroll plays a huge factor in ivey's winrate as well. Ill give you my top 3 things you need to crush poker.

1) Huge Bankroll

2)Poker skills and knowledge of recognizing patterns.

3) Emotional control.

1 and 2 is a must to be a huge winner. 3 you coould get by with until you reach players who play optimal.

ilcd, I'm pretty new to this form. You might of covered this in the past, but why are you stuck in llsnl? You mention br a lot. Do you have life limitations that keep you from moving up?
07-02-2012 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks
LEO(Law enforcement officer). Google is my friend today, I would love to be a officer but I wouldn't pass the lie detector test. I have been a gang member and have done extacy and weed before, smh.

So?

We have the same problems. Mine was LSD once. Honestly what was given to me wasn't even real, but I still admitted that I tried to take it. Smoked MJ ~28 times. I admitted to being in a clique/gang. You don't have to be a boyscout. Just need a good head on your shoulders and some time between the dumb stuff you did.
07-02-2012 , 04:08 PM
Phil Galfond gone busted by Antionio Esfandiari. He got in with a 7 pair and the nut flush draw vs Antonios KQ with a K tp.
07-02-2012 , 04:09 PM
That's what you think.

Then you find yourself tied up in a bathtub and some guys Denzel Washington hired to kill you have a shotgun to your head and the only thing that is gonna get you out of that situation is the wallet from some girl you saved earlier that day. Better hope it falls out of that pocket.
07-02-2012 , 04:11 PM
lol donkaments
07-02-2012 , 04:11 PM
How many Phil's left?

      
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