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07-08-2012 , 09:50 PM
I use to track hours, bankroll, etc but I only play for fun anymore. I learned that swings like these and my attitude towards them do not go together. Althought I don't write all this stuff down, I can take pretty good guesstimates as to what is happening. There was one stat i kept track of one time. It was a flopping a set stat. It took me 80 some hours to flop a set. I flop one and then it took like another 35 hours or so. Ever since then I probably haven't flopped more than 15 sets (NLHE) and it's been over two years since that stat. Do I have a record of that? No. But like I said I can take pretty good guesstimates. That AK draught I went through in Vegas, I was not kidding about the amount of times I had it and did not hit a pair. That one I kept pretty good track of. The stats only drive me more crazy. Lol. It only serves as proof. I wish I could be a fish and forget the losses and only remember the wins or however the heck they think.
07-08-2012 , 09:54 PM
AK is my biggest loser. I 3bet shove with all the time and lose. AK pisses me off.
07-08-2012 , 09:55 PM
I keep a very accurate record of session length by using Poker Journal, which allows me to push a button to start session and another to end.

I honestly can't see reasons to track any other stat, such as what my AI equity is. I rather use that same energy to track player tendency and other stats that might actually improve my future results.

My 2c.
07-08-2012 , 09:56 PM
I an more concerned with playing the hands right, what tilts me is **** like this:

Effective stacks are 1k:

I have kk utg raise to 25
5 callers
Flop is jtt two suits
Fishy player bets 65, whale calls, I don't feel I have enough info to fold so i call, button who is spurge whale but better calls

Turn is a 7d for bd fd
Checks thru

River is a 2d
Sb checks, whale bets 125
I call
Folds to sb who calls

Whale has j4os
Sb has qtos

Fml
07-08-2012 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
Man, I swear, I am at my breaking point.

Hand 1, $275 effective: multiple limpers, button raises to $21. I am in the SB with AA, I reraise to $63, button calls. Flop is Jc8c5h, I bet $70, he calls. Turn 4s, I ship, he calls. River 8h, villain says "I rivered you," and turns over 8d2d. 89% equity no good.

Hand 2, $200 effective: Straddle pot, I am UTG with 8s9s, passive table, I limp, 4 more limpers, button juices it to $12, me the cut off and 3 others call, so like $70 in the pot. Flop is 8hTs4s, checks to cutoff who pots it for $70, folds to me, I ship, he tanks for about a minute, says, "**** it, lets gamble, I'm on a draw" and calls and flips Jd9h. Turn brick, river Jh and 75% equity is no good.

Puts me officially 60+ buy ins below all in EV since moving to Vegas. I have about 23,000 hands in this year, so maybe 40,000 hands total. By far the worst run bad I have had in 2 million hands of poker.

It's very demoralizing. I am so fed up with this run bad I can't even begin to explain it.
in re: hand 1. You pick games very well
07-08-2012 , 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveinkolb
Does calculating expected wins help anyone else mentally? Or am I just fooling myself?

For example, I turn a flush against top two pair and get it all-in for a $600 pot. I am about 90 percent to win this hand. So in the long run, I am booking $540 and losing $60. That really helps me when my opponent hits a 4-outer. I had this discussion with a friend last night who said it wouldn't help him. It's still a loss.
I recommend not checking EV. you cant affect it, and when youre above EV youre anxiously awaiting an adjustment, and when youre below EV your pissed because you EXPECT to be at a certain level which is higher than your current level.

just ignore it and focus on playing better. wasting time on EV and equity etc etc is similar to the "focusing on tells" argument;

your better off playing better and paying attention to peoples betsizes etc.

if you really feel the need to track stats, write HHs down based on how youve seen regs play. I did this in Korea and it was awesome.

Taking notes at the table ftw
07-08-2012 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe
I use to track hours, bankroll, etc but I only play for fun anymore. I learned that swings like these and my attitude towards them do not go together. Althought I don't write all this stuff down, I can take pretty good guesstimates as to what is happening. There was one stat i kept track of one time. It was a flopping a set stat. It took me 80 some hours to flop a set. I flop one and then it took like another 35 hours or so. Ever since then I probably haven't flopped more than 15 sets (NLHE) and it's been over two years since that stat. Do I have a record of that? No. But like I said I can take pretty good guesstimates. That AK draught I went through in Vegas, I was not kidding about the amount of times I had it and did not hit a pair. That one I kept pretty good track of. The stats only drive me more crazy. Lol. It only serves as proof. I wish I could be a fish and forget the losses and only remember the wins or however the heck they think.
i used to have this strat

ok I have 400 bucks, if I can make it until 12am then I am doing good!

Id start at like 7pm LOL
07-08-2012 , 10:30 PM
I was thinking maybe I could tip myself everytime I win a pot. Like don't tip and everytime I get up to take a break pick up my tips like I'm going to go play blackjack or buy a drink. What do you guys think about that? Is that unethical? And do you think I can pull it off?
07-08-2012 , 10:31 PM
Sheesh, now you're really penny pinching.

Hate to tell you but penny pinching ain't going to take you from $30/hr to $40 - $50 range.
07-08-2012 , 10:32 PM
I just sat down at my table and I feel like I was sentenced to jail.

Not the best mindset to be grinding.
07-08-2012 , 10:35 PM
You shouldn't even play then...
07-08-2012 , 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by AmazonPrime
Sheesh, now you're really penny pinching.

Hate to tell you but penny pinching ain't going to take you from $30/hr to $40 - $50 range.
Its the only way to accurately calculate how much I'm tipping.
07-08-2012 , 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
I just sat down at my table and I feel like I was sentenced to jail.

Not the best mindset to be grinding.
Lol go home its sunday night, wait to grind until thursday and get your mind right. If you don't want to be at the table then you are already at a huge disadvantage.
07-08-2012 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by iLikeCaliDonks
Its the only way to accurately calculate how much I'm tipping.
There really isn't any point calculating how much you're tipping.

I know few things for sure.

1. You wouldn't like knowing how much you've been tipping over a course of 6 months to a year.

2. It will be quite painful to continue to tip after knowing 1.

3. Dealers will dislike you and in turn, make grinding, which is already in a challenging environment, even more challenging.
07-08-2012 , 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
I just sat down at my table and I feel like I was sentenced to jail.

Not the best mindset to be grinding.
Now your the one putting your money in as a 10% dog and hoping to get there. Leave bro, you already lost. I swear to you by leaving your mental state will feel that it won.
07-08-2012 , 10:40 PM
Read the first half of Tri Nguyen's "How I made my first million in poker" and maybe it'll help you a bit during this struggling time.
07-08-2012 , 10:43 PM
As for running bad.

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Originally Posted by The Preacher
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity. What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun? One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever. The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose. The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits. All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again. All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing. The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us. There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.
Tommy Angelo wouldn't have quoted this, but if you are to be without tilt, you have to accept that an individual event that happens to you doesn't matter any more than it does to the world in general. Or if you prefer, Mike Caro has written long ago that there are no guarantees that in the long run you'll run average. Bill Gates ran good. CP/M was a better operating system (and yeah, I'm old enough to have worked with both), but the owner of CP/M didn't understand just how valuable the deal was going to be. In addition, IBM never figured out that Gates really didn't have a company.

Such is life. When you accept in the end it doesn't matter, then tilt will disappear.
07-08-2012 , 10:43 PM
Hi Empethy,

Just curious, what is the longest break you've taken away from live play in Las Vegas?

Are you still playing at the MGM?

Cheers,
Hope things get better!
07-08-2012 , 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by AmazonPrime
Read the first half of Tri Nguyen's "How I made my first million in poker" and maybe it'll help you a bit during this struggling time.
Except he hasn't made a million...
07-08-2012 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
Except he hasn't made a million...
Who cares...
07-08-2012 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge

I am at the point where I just want to say **** Tommy Angelo.

I seriously doubt that he has ever spent a full year losing two thirds of the time he gets his money in with 75% equity PR more, and three quarters of his flips.

I don't have anything against him, but I can't really take him seriously when he hasn't walked a mile in my shoes, and if he did, I suspect it would beat the zen right out of him.
I would highly doubt that Tommy Angelo hasn't experienced such a downswing. Why else would he devote so much theoretical energy to the practice of tilt control? He does talk about his own playing history in his video series.

Anyway, from a psychological perspective, the way you're responding to this situation just seems counter-productive. I have enormous respect for your theoretical understanding of the game, not to mention your willingness to share your knowledge, but your mindset just rings alarm bells, here.
07-08-2012 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
Except he hasn't made a million...
Lmao, that's funny ass ****
07-08-2012 , 11:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AmazonPrime
There really isn't any point calculating how much you're tipping.

I know few things for sure.

1. You wouldn't like knowing how much you've been tipping over a course of 6 months to a year.

2. It will be quite painful to continue to tip after knowing 1.

3. Dealers will dislike you and in turn, make grinding, which is already in a challenging environment, even more challenging.
Lmao, my brain was thinking too hard. I'm not going to calculate tips. Because of this, you're right I will be sick. Just like I was sick when I calculated california rake. The table makes a hundred and fifty dollars an hour. I should have never calculated that ****.
07-08-2012 , 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by AmazonPrime
Who cares...
I guess I have an issue with people who claim one thing who haven't accomplished it, I mean I understand advertising but there is as a difference between lying and selling
07-08-2012 , 11:14 PM
I would never mention his book if I didn't think the content in itself was worthy. He could lie his ass off about everything, and some of the most successful authors do, it still doesn't take away the value of the content.

Would it make you feel better if his book was under fiction?

      
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