Could you please expand on the bolded part.

Thanks

I don't get it, so iPoker has a problem with winning players? Seriously? Because they think it shrinks the player pool?

Over the last 3 months quite a few people have been asked to stop playing on the site because of their deposit:withdrawal ratios. They're accounts weren't frozen and they were allowed to withdraw their rolls, but they just couldn't play on VC anymore.

This was debated when it first started happening and i think the prevailing opinion was (begrudgingly) that it was actually a very smart system, it just sucked if you were victim to it.

Ok.. Sounds very odd.. Especially since they may be winning money from people playing on other skins.

Thanks for the clarification.

Cliffs:
iPoker doesn't allow rakeback.
Skins give rakeback anyway - rakeback arms race ensues.
The skins with the sickest under-the-table deals end up with all 2p2-type grinders <- these skins are now getting penalized.

They have a problem with giant under the counter rakeback deals being given to winning players, because skins doing that steals players from other skins and thus devalues owning a skin.

makes sense.... now who wants to give me 10k moneybookers for my FTP so I can get my ass kicked off noble

No, iPoker doesn't. iPoker has a problem with illegal rakebackdeals. To counter them, they fine skins that have an abnormal deposit:withdrawel ratio (giving rakeback deals attracts the grinders affecting the ratio). This method is fair and effective. VC was one of the biggest rakeback sites so their fines were the highest, so VC specificly started booting winning players. Other rooms are not as far as I know. Just play somewhere reputable and you shouldn't have any problems.

what are the more reputable ipoker rooms then?

expekt is good I believe.

man, I always run pretty horribly whenever I start playing at ipoker. sigh.

I like to play at chilipoker for years...




and Not only because of those sweet support girls

So ... what sites do NOT offer huge deals ?

Betfred, Will Hill, Paddy Power to name a few. There's about 100 skins on ipoker, and probably less than 20% have rb deals.

i had a grandfathered rakeback account with pokerplex(from crypto days),and i received an email last month saying that due to a change in ipoker policy i would no longer be getting rakeback

I believe that if you find the right affiliate, everyone has rakeback. Even pokerstars.

It's just teh question of getting caught for them. So it' all hush hush, but if there's an affiliate present, there's a RB deal present.

Rakeback at pokerstars that would be sick... I actually don't think they give rakeback... Their VIP system is so good already... [Probably need to one of the PS pro's first]

Wow.... Thelittlerock's ptr is pretty impressive. I'm not surprised though, he's a v solid player and definitely one of the 1k regs i respect the most!

they also have affiliates, don't they?

Re: the winner/loser thing, a rep from an iPoker skin on an Irish message board explained it by saying that iP wants all its skins to be a "mini-me" of the network as a whole, with a broadly similar winner/loser ratio across the board. They are taking any unreasonably high number of winners on any given skin as evidence that they are offering excessively generous deals to the regs. This strikes me as a reasonable assumption.

The same rep also said that VC's recent behaviour kicking off all these winners is not necessarily indicative that all iP skins will be doing similar in the future. VC are just particularly skewed because of their dodgy deals. He also said VC to Entraction is likely.

Fixed today

-Andrzej.

all have rakeback deals

Hey ipoker regs please check my post at http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...ipoker-662326/


-Abhyudaya

Is this on boards? link please sir

I disagree. They dont have any problems with illegal RB deals. They might say, and might do SOME thigns due to pressure of damaged skins. But in the end they dont care, cuz the profit.
Ipoker bosses might have no idea about poker (as software + new rules clearly show), but
they´re not stupid in regards to not knowing about the "underground" deals...

BUT, 16tbling 24\7 grinders are GOLD for Ipoker. Cuz most of those guys play breakeven, thus, dont cost the network about anything. Due to their low winrate, they dont kill fish as fast as other players might.

a)

The most annoying players are the 5PTBB+ winners at 5-10+. Because for every 100k winning month, they might get 500$ in rake (exaggerating, but u get the point).
For every 100k they take out of the system, u prolly need around 2k fish, who deposit. so thats a 2000:1 ratio right there in order to keep it healthy.
Now thats also the unfair part of the penalties.
A site might have 500:1 fish-shark ratio, but one huge shark can end up costing them money. Thats not fair, sicne they are acquiring new players...

b)

The only problem with the 16tbl grinder is that they make the skins compete to a degree where the skins are not making to much profit anymore.
Weak skins, make the network weak, too.
Substantial, solid skins, form a storng healthy network.

They dont hate grinders, they hate the problem that comes along. So i´d be officially shocked if grinders get kicked who are breakeven...
Have yet only heared from decent winners that have been kicked...