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09-30-2014 , 02:24 PM
I don't mind flatting with AK here for value. My guess is that we stand up well against V1's overcalling range here. Sure our equity is diluted with the third player in the hand, but I think it is offset by the fact that people play straightforwardly in these pots where someone is all in, and you will often get to see a free turn and/or river. If we hit our Ace or King we have gotten the extra $40 and possibly one more street of value.
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09-30-2014 , 05:50 PM
Thanks, V2 had A5 off, and V1 had QQ, called and I missed. I felt good about my play, just wanted to check. I think I *might* have flatted against a worse opponent to keep them in. But if they have a low PP I think I just want them out of there.

Another hand against same opponent, although earlier in the night:

I have 200, he covers. Folds to me, I raise to 12 with 88, he calls and so did someone else.

Pot 40ish. Flop Q86r. Checks to me, I bet 21, he calls and the other guy folds.

Turn 4, no flush draw. He checks, I bet 27 (into 82, although I hadn't counted the pot exactly at that point)...he thinks and calls.

River K, he checks, I toss out 50 (two chips).
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09-30-2014 , 11:49 PM
Taloon:
Hand 1: looks good.
He often folds hand like 66 - TT which is great for us. I would have played the same.
(Maybe 4 bet iso/call it off when he jams but both options are good imo.)

Hand 2: Bigger on the turn.
And bigger on the river.

Otherwise fine.
This is a pretty obvious bet/bet/bet spot.
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09-30-2014 , 11:59 PM
Last hand I played in Las Vegas:

$2/$5 at MGM.

I am in SB. I have 9c9s.

UTG straddles for $10. I start hand with $525.

Button makes it $50. I flat. Straddler comes along.

Flop 8c 6c 5s.

Checks to button who bets $100. I call. Straddler makes it $300. Button folds (I was folding if he called or raised).

I ship for $475. I was about 99 percent positive straddler had some kind of draw. He was 35-40, Asian. Button was 20-something reg type.

I thought about 3-betting preflop since it was a button raise, but I had 3-bet this guy at least twice in the past hour.

Thoughts?
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10-01-2014 , 12:21 AM
So heavily discounting sets (3 combos instead of 9 possible) to lots of flush draws with overcards and/or straight draws (13 combos), you have 44% equity, and you're basically getting 2-1 on your 375 remaining after flatting the 100 so probably ok. If all 9 set combos are active it's a lot closer.

I highly trust "live reads" myself so if it truly is 0% woohoo but depending on how much TT-QQ v has here could make it a thinner spot.
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10-01-2014 , 12:50 AM
Assume BTN has a wide preflop raise/calling range, and therefore we would 3bet the 99 for value. That might not be bad, and if you 3bet him twice and can get him to look you up lighter then all the better. However my only concern would be bloating the pot with a midsize pair in a straddle/3bet pot when you only have ~100bbs effective (I assume, for BTN). Can end up in a lot of tricky spots / pot committed pretty fast postflop.

As played I would think about donk/folding flop. I think people will play more straightforwardly in a straddle/multiway pot, and we are going to see a free turn a lot of the times, which can bring a lot of scare cards for you.

As played, I fold to the flop raise. There are tons of 2 pair, sets, overpairs and even straights that have us crushed. Combos of all of these are in both players ranges. Pair+draw combos that are doing very well against us. I'd let it go.
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10-04-2014 , 05:00 PM
1/2 table hero has only been at table 30 mins. Showed down failed bluffing turn and river with flush draw first orbit and picked off a small bluff in 2nd. Villain is reg. have seen him call a few raises already but never open raise.

Effective stacks 300
Utg Limper
Villain raise to 11 in mp
Hero flats JJ in SB
Utg Limper folds

25 flop KK8r check, check

25 turn KK8 4 (2 spades) hero bet 17, V calls

59 river KK8 4 10 (complete b/d flush) hero bets 30 planning to bet/fold

Look ok? Comments appreciated

Last edited by DrunkTilt; 10-04-2014 at 05:24 PM.
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10-05-2014 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DrunkTilt
1/2 table hero has only been at table 30 mins. Showed down failed bluffing turn and river with flush draw first orbit and picked off a small bluff in 2nd. Villain is reg. have seen him call a few raises already but never open raise.

Effective stacks 300
Utg Limper
Villain raise to 11 in mp
Hero flats JJ in SB
Utg Limper folds

25 flop KK8r check, check

25 turn KK8 4 (2 spades) hero bet 17, V calls

59 river KK8 4 10 (complete b/d flush) hero bets 30 planning to bet/fold

Look ok? Comments appreciated
Anyone?
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10-05-2014 , 07:35 PM
It's fine, I'd bet $40 on the river.
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10-06-2014 , 04:09 PM
The way I see it, I wouldn't enter this pot OOP by flatting. You're not set-mining so you either think you're beating his range or you don't. It would take a hell of a strong read on V to fold here, and your 30 mins at the table probably isn't enough. I would 3-bet/fold to 25 and see where it goes OTF. ETA: Why? Because the 4-bet range preflop for 99.9999% of 1/2 players is AA and MAYBE KK if they're loose/drunk.

As played I think it's good.
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10-06-2014 , 06:00 PM
Is there anywhere or a thread that has already been written about what to do in general if you C bet with air and get called and don't improve at all? Is the answer it depends or what? for LLSNL
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10-06-2014 , 08:23 PM
What's a solid opening range from UTG and UTG1 in a passive 1/2 100bb deep Game? Do you include hands like AJo or JTs ?
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10-06-2014 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by JcNz
Is there anywhere or a thread that has already been written about what to do in general if you C bet with air and get called and don't improve at all? Is the answer it depends or what? for LLSNL
it always depends. One example: what is the turn card? Aces and Kings can be great to double barrel (since everyone puts you on ace-king).

But if the turn card doesn't change the board in any meaningful way, and we still have nothing, then you have to think about what the villain called with on the flop, and is probably not folding on this turn card. If those are true, then folding becomes best.
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10-06-2014 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by tread_lightly
What's a solid opening range from UTG and UTG1 in a passive 1/2 100bb deep Game? Do you include hands like AJo or JTs ?
I hate AJo from up front. JTs is a "sometimes", but I'm not playing for top pair.

Basically, I hate playing out of position, and avoid it. A lot.
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10-08-2014 , 02:06 AM
Absolute maniac table at 1/2. V is a young guy sitting to my left and in town for work. Rarely plays poker and is essentially there to lose his money. Never knows when it's on him, often forgets what cards he has, frequently calls the wrong amount. Plays about every hand. Very aggressive, just loves putting chips in. Have seen him 3bet and call a shove with 77 and 89ss in the last couple orbits. He was 25bb and 50bb deep respectively. (He did 3bet/fold once because he felt it was too much for him to call) Now he's sitting on 100bb in the SB and Hero covers.

Couple limps to Hero on BTN who makes it $15 with K9dd. V makes it 60. Folds around. Hero? ($200 effective to start)

Last edited by HH2010; 10-08-2014 at 02:31 AM.
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10-08-2014 , 08:16 AM
seat change prehand
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10-08-2014 , 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by HH2010
Absolute maniac table at 1/2. V is a young guy sitting to my left and in town for work. Rarely plays poker and is essentially there to lose his money. Never knows when it's on him, often forgets what cards he has, frequently calls the wrong amount. Plays about every hand. Very aggressive, just loves putting chips in. Have seen him 3bet and call a shove with 77 and 89ss in the last couple orbits. He was 25bb and 50bb deep respectively. (He did 3bet/fold once because he felt it was too much for him to call) Now he's sitting on 100bb in the SB and Hero covers.

Couple limps to Hero on BTN who makes it $15 with K9dd. V makes it 60. Folds around. Hero? ($200 effective to start)
You shouldn't raise that hand preflop unless you know how you would react to his 3bet. This is probably an optional spot where you can shove if you love variance and fold (remembering to just limp next time) if you hate variance.
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10-08-2014 , 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by HH2010
Absolute maniac table at 1/2. V is a young guy sitting to my left and in town for work. Rarely plays poker and is essentially there to lose his money. Never knows when it's on him, often forgets what cards he has, frequently calls the wrong amount. Plays about every hand. Very aggressive, just loves putting chips in. Have seen him 3bet and call a shove with 77 and 89ss in the last couple orbits. He was 25bb and 50bb deep respectively. (He did 3bet/fold once because he felt it was too much for him to call) Now he's sitting on 100bb in the SB and Hero covers.

Couple limps to Hero on BTN who makes it $15 with K9dd. V makes it 60. Folds around. Hero? ($200 effective to start)
I think you're flipping at absolute worst, and there's dead money in pot (your own mostly). I'd ship and feel pretty good about it.

Granted, I would much rather have an Ace there, because a fair it of his range is going to be A-rag, but I still feel ok just jamming.

Last edited by Aleksei; 10-08-2014 at 08:46 AM.
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10-08-2014 , 11:23 AM
fold and sigh
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10-13-2014 , 02:09 PM
Maniac table at 3am, 7-handed. Hero has a good image and both V's will play nearly ATC but then get pretty fit-or-fold postflop versus me. Except when I show weakness, or when they have a draw. Effective stacks $300, and I have TT.

Straddle. V1 raises UTG to $15. This is his standard size, has been raising a decent amount, although I've seen him show down KQ and 77 after raising so far. Seen him limp in with AQs so I don't think he has a huge hand. I 3bet to $45 for value and to isolate, otherwise the pot will easily go 6 handed to the flop. Straddle calls, V1 calls. Both players will call any raise size or any 3bet. They take any excuse to play a big pot.

I am in position. Pot is ~$130. Flop is A72r. Checks to me, my plan is to bet $75 and give up if called. I am positive that neither of them is calling me without an Ace, and also think there is a good chance one of them will try to bluff the turn after I show weakness (not to mention pick up equity).

Thoughts?
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10-13-2014 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by HH2010
I am in position. Pot is ~$130. Flop is A72r. Checks to me, my plan is to bet $75 and give up if called. I am positive that neither of them is calling me without an Ace, and also think there is a good chance one of them will try to bluff the turn after I show weakness (not to mention pick up equity).

Thoughts?
I'm pretty sure you'll make more money bet/bet/shoving against their weaker aces then you will picking up one extra bet from their non-aces.
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10-13-2014 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by HH2010
Maniac table at 3am, 7-handed. Hero has a good image and both V's will play nearly ATC but then get pretty fit-or-fold postflop versus me. Except when I show weakness, or when they have a draw. Effective stacks $300, and I have TT.

Straddle. V1 raises UTG to $15. This is his standard size, has been raising a decent amount, although I've seen him show down KQ and 77 after raising so far. Seen him limp in with AQs so I don't think he has a huge hand. I 3bet to $45 for value and to isolate, otherwise the pot will easily go 6 handed to the flop. Straddle calls, V1 calls. Both players will call any raise size or any 3bet. They take any excuse to play a big pot.

I am in position. Pot is ~$130. Flop is A72r. Checks to me, my plan is to bet $75 and give up if called. I am positive that neither of them is calling me without an Ace, and also think there is a good chance one of them will try to bluff the turn after I show weakness (not to mention pick up equity).

Thoughts?
Check here AINEC imo.
They will call with all hands that beat you, they will fold all hands that are behind you. They will bluff with weaker hands (and air) OTT if we check, and they have very little 1 street equity (13% at most). I see no good coming from betting.

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Originally Posted by mtagliaf
I'm pretty sure you'll make more money bet/bet/shoving against their weaker aces then you will picking up one extra bet from their non-aces.
I'm sorry, what?..
We do have TT here, and not AT, right?
And we do in fact lose to all Aces here, right?


Oh yeah, and I might 3bet bigger for value.
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10-14-2014 , 06:21 AM
sorry, thought we had AQ for some reason
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10-21-2014 , 10:30 PM
Playing 2/5 Hero Playing usual TAG game but very active because I'm getting good cards and the table is generally tight preflop and fit/fold post. Would be up way more but lost with QQ vs KK when short stack shoved and had one opponent hit a better two pair on river. $1100

Villain Not exactly tight but not loose either. Passive preflop but like to raise flops, has check/raised or reraised flop way more then can be value. Less aggressive on turn and river. $1000

Fold to hero in LP. I raise to $20 with J9o. Villain calls out of the SB.

Flop is KQT with 2 diamonds. $45 in pot.
Villain checks
Hero bets $30 (probably should have gone $40 on such a wet flop)
Villain raises to $90

Villain could have a set of tens, but not KK/QQ. Any two pair is possible, as are pair+draw hands. Chance of semi-bluffs with diamond draws or combo draws. Small chance of outright bluffs if he thinks I'm c-betting air. Obviously AJ is also possible but his range is way wider then that.

I think this is an obvious reraise. Villain either has air or has a draw to beat me way more then having me beat already. The air hands are done as soon as I call but there are so many possible draws that a lot of turn cards are bad, any diamond and any card 9 or higher depending on which draw he has. I was more challenged with sizing it. What does everything think here?
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10-22-2014 , 05:40 AM
agreed, I'm not worried about keeping his air in. Reraise and if he folds, make him think you made a move on him.
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