From OP:

First of all, draws are almost always a small fraction of the range in question. And second, this isnt a drawy flop. So lets stay on this example for the moment. We could go on all day with the if this flop, if that flop, etc.

that means he's drafting up a big response!

min-donking in the dark PF woulda been an epic play;
ROT??

Would i do it in a 3 bet pot OOP? I could think of scenarios, yes. This isnt one of them at all. WE have QQQ. What can villain have? He cant hardly have top two.

Suppose I somehow called a 3 bet oop with 66. Villain does 3 bet AK all day.
Flop is As Kd 6s . I might elect to donk this flop because villain can have AK or AQ and if i CR it would just look rediculously strong. So i would bet bet bet in order to trap the villain into calling, not really knowing the strength of my holding AND the fact that 666 would be an unlikely hand for me to show up with. Villain could call down easily in this spot since he wouldnt expect me to donk AAA KKK and unlikely i have 666, so in this spot villain is in a world of hurt handreading wise. So here, i would donk bet bet.

Don't see the debate...

1. Donk bets should be made according to how villains responds to them.
2. Donk bets should be responded to according to the range the villain donks, and how she/he responds to his/her donks being raises, floated, ect.

Even at live poker these tendencies aren't hard to figure out.

Having a general donking policy isn't the idea.

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RE: what hands I call with if I am villain and other player bets 100 into 75 on river.....

maybe sets? top 2? 7 with a good kicker.

I would need to be playing someone really crazy to make this call. And I like to make hero calls. I really can't think of the last time someone I played against live made an overbet on the river that wasn't for value. Even vs someone who I was in a level war against, people are still more likely to make an overbet when they just want to look crazy and get called.

I do play vs mostly loose passives though so maybe it's just the way I'm programmed.

if somebody checks behind on the turn I overbet bluff rivers all the time

Yeah, I do this a bit too. They usually sit their and agonize for like 2 minutes while I'm sweating it. Then they fold. I think it's usually bottom pair.

If so, and villain has seen it (whether shown or not), then i would do it.

hmmmmm

what about donking a small amount in AQ9 hand, like 1/3 pot. that looks ultimately weak, does it not? it's the "where am i at?" bet.

I cant say i like. If hero was fishy, then i might like it. But when thinking player makes a fishy move, it usually spells trouble and i would assume this villain could sniff it out.

sweet. then i like it.

River: 7x
$75 (2 Players) Hero bets $100 (4 Green Chips) Villain insta-mucks

Villain swears he had JJ... is that possible? Given the action, sitting in his seat, do we call the river (or at least give it some thought?)

Myself, i would stop and consider the action of course, and come to this conclusion fairly quickly. REalizing two thinking players involved, i would first figure that....
(i am villain, OP is hero)
1- I figure hero knows i have showdown value or i wouldnt be checking twice.
2- Once i do check twice its sooo likely i will call riverbet
3- Knowing this, would hero really try and push me off my SDV?
4- Usually overbets between good players at this level is just that. A level with a very good hand.
5- If i had seen you do this before against weak players,and now do this vs me, i still figure its a different circumstance and not sway me to call (maybe sway me a little, but not enuff to call).

At 2/5, i really think this is valuebet by almost all types of players. I cant even think right off the boat here a single case of a big overbet bluff on river like this one at live 2/5. (haha, except my own vs a weak player who basically thinks at this level. hmmm, big bet huh? Well ok, i fold)

Something to think about, as a thinking player that has faced a wide range of players and skills. Ask yourself who or what is the hardest to play against?

I get a fair amount of "gawd I hate playing against you!" comments. So I ask them why, and compare that to what I hate to play against.

Most people hate me because I am so agro. I set the expectation that if you enter a raised pot with me, we are playing for stacks, rather that is the case or not, you expect to, which changes your actions and reactions, to a much simpler set.

The next most common answer is "i never know what you have, where you are with a hand". And that too is because I am agro and fairly consistent at it. I make the same bets with all of my range, so from a villains perspective I look the same with air to nuts.

All of that is quite exploitable, but seriously at the 1/2 to 5/10 games, unless you are playing with the same people day in and day out, the other players are just not "there" to try and exploit it. The solid players tend to avoid playing you unless you tweak their ego, the drooler class wants to get your stack, outplay you.

KUD, yes I can see JJ playing that, and yes I would give calling serious thought as played.