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06-10-2010 , 10:06 AM
Hey guys,

Recently we've seen a number of occurrences of PokerStars tournament windows with non-standard window titles. TableNinja relies on window titles to correctly identify tables so this can be problematic for TableNinja's table detection. We've already released an update to handle this issue, but in an effort to make TableNinja more robust we've added an additional new method of table detection that does not rely on window titles. This should limit the potential problems that could occur in the future due to unexpected behavior with the PokerStars window titles.

Here's whats new in TableNinja Version 1.2.44.0
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Bug Fixes
  • Added new table detection system to handle erratic behavior in PokerStars® tournament window titles.
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Thanks,

Tarath
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06-10-2010 , 03:48 PM
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sent pm about my logs

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06-10-2010 , 08:39 PM
sometimes when i click the replay button nothing happens not sure if its related to todays update or not
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06-10-2010 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by jogden139
sometimes when i click the replay button nothing happens not sure if its related to todays update or not
If you are playing SnG's and are using the "Keep new tournaments from stealing focus" option the replay windows may be sent to the bottom of your stack for 10 seconds. This is a known issue that we're working on and I don't think it should be at all related to today's update.

If this is not the cause of the problem let me know.

Thanks,

Tarath
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06-11-2010 , 01:45 AM
tile tables hot key would be amazing for next update
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06-11-2010 , 07:11 AM
Hi, is there anyway I can use my tableninja on other systems? How many different systems are we allowed to operate from and what is the process plz?
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06-11-2010 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Shoulders
tile tables hot key would be amazing for next update
This is on our list but because its built into Stars as cntrl-9 its not super high priority right now. If a lot of you feel its important let me know and we can consider bumping it up the list

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Originally Posted by RagzToRiches
Hi, is there anyway I can use my tableninja on other systems? How many different systems are we allowed to operate from and what is the process plz?
You can have TableNinja actively installed on up to two computers at any given time.

You can just use your existing TableNinja code to install TableNinja on a second computer. If you then use your existing code to install TableNinja on a 3rd computer you will be prompted to deactivate TableNinja on one of your old machines. For more details see this page: http://tableninja.com/faq.php#Need%20to%20deactivate

Basically you can unlock TableNinja on two computers and you can transfer an existing unlock to a new computer twice every thirty days.

Thanks,

Tarath
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06-12-2010 , 05:23 PM
having an issue here...this has happened several times and its getting annoying.

an hour or two into my sessions, TN allows my bet increments (using the scroll wheel) to revert to normal stars mode (down is up), and changes to 1.0 bb increments (i have it set at 1.0 sb). the only way i found to fix is to shut down TN and restart it. pain in the butt while 16 tabling.

anyone else have this problem? any suggested fixes?
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06-12-2010 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by dugthefish
having an issue here...this has happened several times and its getting annoying.

an hour or two into my sessions, TN allows my bet increments (using the scroll wheel) to revert to normal stars mode (down is up), and changes to 1.0 bb increments (i have it set at 1.0 sb). the only way i found to fix is to shut down TN and restart it. pain in the butt while 16 tabling.

anyone else have this problem? any suggested fixes?
Is there a lot of lag on your system when you play? Are you running microsoft security essentials? It is possible that in a case of extreme lag that TableNinja might cease to read your mouse input but we haven't heard any reports of this problem in months (since we released a patch designed to handle this exact problem).

If you are running Microsoft Security Essentials please try adding an exclusion for TableNinja. If you system is running low on memory an hour or two into your session try to close any unneeded applications and see if that fixes things. If neither of those suggestions help please email your TNLog file from your TableNinja install directory to support@alxsoftware.com and we'll take a look at your setup and help you out.

Thanks,

Tarath
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06-13-2010 , 12:35 AM
I'm having an annoying problem lately with TN in regards to either 250bb tables or the new Ante's at Micro's.

10NL
250bb table
2c Ante's (6max). Starts off with 15c (Blinds) + 12c (Antes).

And even if I'm the first one to open with 0 limpers, TN is opening for 52c.

My config is set to only at 4bb + 1bb per limper, so it shouldn't be looking at the pot size? My guess is that it's mistakenly using the Ante's as a limper?
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06-13-2010 , 12:40 AM
Also, a quick feature request/question: Is there planned suppot for opening bb if we're on the BTN? I like to open 3bb on the button whereas 4bb everywhere else.

Thanks
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06-13-2010 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Moya
I'm having an annoying problem lately with TN in regards to either 250bb tables or the new Ante's at Micro's.

10NL
250bb table
2c Ante's (6max). Starts off with 15c (Blinds) + 12c (Antes).

And even if I'm the first one to open with 0 limpers, TN is opening for 52c.

My config is set to only at 4bb + 1bb per limper, so it shouldn't be looking at the pot size? My guess is that it's mistakenly using the Ante's as a limper?
This is by design. In cash games with Antes TableNinja adds the amount of the antes times the #BB per limper to limper bets. I discussed this functionality with a few deep ante cash players and most of them agreed that this was the mathematically optimal way to adjust your pfr to handle the antes in cash games.

If you do not want TableNinja to take antes into account in cash games unfortunately there is not a perfect solution. Your best bet is to set TN to round your bets to the nearest BB and then set your bet size to 1 or 2 BB smaller than you actually want it. IE set TN to round to the nearest BB and set it to open to 2-3x + 1 per limper.

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Also, a quick feature request/question: Is there planned suppot for opening bb if we're on the BTN? I like to open 3bb on the button whereas 4bb everywhere else.

Thanks
Positional based bet sizing is definitely something we'd consider adding in the future. Its been requested a few times and I think its a great idea. Implementing it would actually a major undertaking and we would also need to clear the idea with Stars but it is a feature we're considering.

I know that currently some cash players just have a separate limper bet hotkey that they use when opening from the button to achieve this. That is set your default bet to 4x + 1 and then have a limper bet hotkey that you use from the button that does 3x + 1. This is a very effective solution for most players.

Thanks,

Tarath
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06-13-2010 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by tarath
This is by design. In cash games with Antes TableNinja adds the amount of the antes times the #BB per limper to limper bets. I discussed this functionality with a few deep ante cash players and most of them agreed that this was the mathematically optimal way to adjust your pfr to handle the antes in cash games.

If you do not want TableNinja to take antes into account in cash games unfortunately there is not a perfect solution. Your best bet is to set TN to round your bets to the nearest BB and then set your bet size to 1 or 2 BB smaller than you actually want it. IE set TN to round to the nearest BB and set it to open to 2-3x + 1 per limper.



Positional based bet sizing is definitely something we'd consider adding in the future. Its been requested a few times and I think its a great idea. Implementing it would actually a major undertaking and we would also need to clear the idea with Stars but it is a feature we're considering.

I know that currently some cash players just have a separate limper bet hotkey that they use when opening from the button to achieve this. That is set your default bet to 4x + 1 and then have a limper bet hotkey that you use from the button that does 3x + 1. This is a very effective solution for most players.

Thanks,

Tarath
Awesome, thanks! The extra hot key sounds good.

In regards to the Ante betting, that makes sense and thanks for clarifying it. For me, I just like to avoid betting in weird amounts that makes it obvious I'm using table ninja. That is, I'm not soo fussed about opening for 4bb + limpers + Ante's, but I just don't want to make my open bet 52c. 5bb would be ideal.

Maybe my question should have been, why isn't TN rounding to the nearest BB (which I have set) preflop when I open?
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06-13-2010 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Moya
Awesome, thanks! The extra hot key sounds good.

In regards to the Ante betting, that makes sense and thanks for clarifying it. For me, I just like to avoid betting in weird amounts that makes it obvious I'm using table ninja. That is, I'm not soo fussed about opening for 4bb + limpers + Ante's, but I just don't want to make my open bet 52c. 5bb would be ideal.

Maybe my question should have been, why isn't TN rounding to the nearest BB (which I have set) preflop when I open?
Actually that's a question regarding the blinds even without antes. I think it's when I'm in the BB facing a limper the default bet (I think it's a raise, but I guess technically not) will have an extra SB amount in it and won't round to the nearest BB. What gives Tarath/Fool?
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06-13-2010 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Moya
Awesome, thanks! The extra hot key sounds good.

In regards to the Ante betting, that makes sense and thanks for clarifying it. For me, I just like to avoid betting in weird amounts that makes it obvious I'm using table ninja. That is, I'm not soo fussed about opening for 4bb + limpers + Ante's, but I just don't want to make my open bet 52c. 5bb would be ideal.

Maybe my question should have been, why isn't TN rounding to the nearest BB (which I have set) preflop when I open?
Hey Moya,

I actually realized I made a mistake in my previous post. The rounding is only applied to pot % bets and not to limper bets. The idea behind this was that (before cash game with antes) limper bets would always be round numbers unless you intentionally set your size to something weird.

Now that stars has cash games with antes it might make sense to have an option to apply rounding to limper bets. In the mean time if you set your preflop default bet to 100% and round to the nearest BB that should do the trick for you.

Give it a quick try at micro-stakes and see what you think.

Tarath
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06-13-2010 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by malloc
Actually that's a question regarding the blinds even without antes. I think it's when I'm in the BB facing a limper the default bet (I think it's a raise, but I guess technically not) will have an extra SB amount in it and won't round to the nearest BB. What gives Tarath/Fool?
Sorry I responded to Moya without seeing your post. The issue is that the rounding is only applied to pot % bets.

I don't see any reason offhand that we can't add an option to also apply it to limper bets. I don't think we'd want to do that for everyone as some SnG players like to have their preflop open be 2.5 or 2.25 BB but then have their post flop bets rounded, but I think as long as its an option that should be fine.

Tarath

edit: Also the reason 1/2 a bb is added when the SB limps is that TN counts the SB limp as half a limper as only half of the money was added to the pot voluntarily.

Last edited by tarath; 06-13-2010 at 11:18 PM.
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06-13-2010 , 11:11 PM
i apologize if this issue has been answered before, im just using the demo version and i like the program a lot, however i keep experiencing 'lag' that causes me big problems. It will lag and i will accidentally raise the wrong table, accidnetally fold the wrong table, etc. Sometimes i push a hotkey, think that i didnt push it all the way bc its lagging, then push it twice, and it will act on 2 diff tables like, raise one table then raise another table incorrectly. This has cost me enough BI's that i no longer use the program anymore. It is probably just a conflict with my PC and not the software but if there was a solution you know of im all ears bc it is a great program.
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06-13-2010 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by tarath
Hey Moya,

I actually realized I made a mistake in my previous post. The rounding is only applied to pot % bets and not to limper bets. The idea behind this was that (before cash game with antes) limper bets would always be round numbers unless you intentionally set your size to something weird.

Now that stars has cash games with antes it might make sense to have an option to apply rounding to limper bets. In the mean time if you set your preflop default bet to 100% and round to the nearest BB that should do the trick for you.

Give it a quick try at micro-stakes and see what you think.

Tarath


Thanks. Changing from 4+Limpers to 100% of pot seems to do the trick.

A little checkbox for "round to nearest BB for Limper bets" would be awesome though!

Cheers
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06-14-2010 , 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 8_high
i apologize if this issue has been answered before, im just using the demo version and i like the program a lot, however i keep experiencing 'lag' that causes me big problems. It will lag and i will accidentally raise the wrong table, accidnetally fold the wrong table, etc. Sometimes i push a hotkey, think that i didnt push it all the way bc its lagging, then push it twice, and it will act on 2 diff tables like, raise one table then raise another table incorrectly. This has cost me enough BI's that i no longer use the program anymore. It is probably just a conflict with my PC and not the software but if there was a solution you know of im all ears bc it is a great program.

Are you using Microsoft Security Essentials? If so you will need to add TableNinja to its list of exceptions. There are several versions of the program but the exception list can be found on the settings or tools page. If you have any trouble PM me. I can teamview in and fix the issue. If your not using MSE please make a new thread at http://tnforums.tableninja.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2. I'll go over your logs and find the conflict.
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06-14-2010 , 09:36 AM
8=~Fool~=8 did you get my email? It wasn't that big of an issue before you said it's not suppose to happen but now that i know it could be something simple it's really tilting me
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06-14-2010 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ThanksInAdvance
8=~Fool~=8 did you get my email? It wasn't that big of an issue before you said it's not suppose to happen but now that i know it could be something simple it's really tilting me
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06-14-2010 , 04:58 PM
Wats up with the "Show Previous hand" window? It doesn't let me bring it to the foreground.
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06-14-2010 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by IamPro
Wats up with the "Show Previous hand" window? It doesn't let me bring it to the foreground.

Try disabling "Keep new tournaments from stealing focus" in TN>Opening/Closing>Tournaments. For the moment our focus fix treats this window the same as it would a new tournament thats trying to steal focus. We are considering several solution for this but are unable to get around this problem at the moment. Let me know if this doesn't fix the problem.
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06-15-2010 , 05:47 PM
I was wondering if you could consider adding something like this to TableNinja?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/45...ct-ahk-797512/
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06-15-2010 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Sorrybadbeat
I was wondering if you could consider adding something like this to TableNinja?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/45...ct-ahk-797512/

This is an interesting suggestion. I'm not sure if its feasible or how resource intensive it would be but I'll definitely pass it on to the developers.
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