funnily enough, when I'm spectating a table rather than playing, SaT works perfectly as far as the resizing issue goes, it only seems to be when I'm playing at the table specifically.

ok, this is what i suspected, because i just noticed it while i was testing it for you yesterday.

on my system, party does not allow me to resize the table any larger than the default size. this is without SaT. that is why i was asking you if you can resize it yourself with the mouse with SaT off. it seems that party will only allow me to resize the table smaller than default, not larger. can you please try this ?

since your SaT grid slot size (900x647) is larger than default, SaT will try to resize the party tables to that size, but party will prevent it.

(for reference, you can see that the OnGame site isn't resized to the full grid slot size either. this is because each site has their own proportions for their table, sometimes they dont exactly match up. SaT will try to resize to match the height first, to prevent vertical gaps in the grid)

on my computer this would never work, because as i said, party would never allow the table to be resized larger than default.

and since the popup box is not a table, SaT can resize it. interestingly enough, it is not an easy fix to prevent that from being detected. SaT determines party tables by the titlebar containing either a "/" or a "$". most sites i can just use "/" for the blinds separator, but on party tournaments, i believe that they do not show the blinds in the titlebar.

Hmm, interestingly, yesterday SaT suddenly worked perfectly for all partypoker tables, they were resized correctly, moved to correct slots and hotkeys all worked. I had not re-added partypoker site from when I had last played, not had I changed any settings.

I don't know why you can't resize party tables past default, I seem to be able to just fine.

and today, no tables on party are recognised at all. I havn't done anything whatsoever to settings.

can you try to open some cash tables and see if SaT works?

are you a subscriber for the Full version or Small Stakes?

i will have to ask around and see if its just me, but i cannot resize the party tables with my mouse any larger than the default size.

I test all of them out on microstakes cash before playing.
I am not a subscriber. I don't intend to buy a product that isn't doing what I am paying for. If it works well enough that I feel its worth paying a re-occuring fee, I will. Without meaning to be offensive, at the moment its not doing that.

i understand, no offense taken at all.

i'm just trying to find the problem, as this is a very tricky one, since it works sometimes, and other times not. table detection partly depends upon what stakes version of the software you are running

if you are not a subscriber, then are you still within your trial period? or has the program reverted to "free" mode which only works on microstakes tables? because initially you mentioned $33 and $55 tournaments, which obviously wouldn't be supported if your trial has expired

used the 15 days trial version today and I'm having some trouble with it.

I played on FTP and did set up everything correct (at least I think obviously).

I set up a grid and when the action on a table (used "after entering pot" so that only hands where i enter the hand will get assigned to a new grid) is needed that table did not always stay on top....fo example i get Q5o and wanted to click the fold button and all of a sudden it brings a table on top where i have KK..that was one problem. The other one was that sometimes even though I had three tables blinking that action is required (saw that via task bar) there is still a table on top where I am in the small blind for example and its not even my turn to act...so there is a table on top that does not need action while other do need action but they do not pop up.

does that sound familiar?
was testing it at nl25 on FTP and i also use the newest version of HM2 (in case that might mean anything).

few questions to help me figure it out

what version number of SaT?
are you using a modded table theme on FTP?

do you have this setting turned off?
http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/help/full-tilt-poker

very nice (and quick)

so I guess the last one should solve the problem probably?

usually you will want to turn off those settings in the poker clients, because otherwise the poker site will fight with SaT with bringing tables to the top

however

there could potentially be a problem with your table mod. this would occur if the Fold button color is the same as the table or checkbox that occurs behind it. for example, suppose the table is grey, but the Fold button is a similar gray color with not much difference. SaT will have a hard time determining whether the Fold button is truly visible or not.

so try with that setting off and see how it goes. if you still run into problems, take screenshots of the table with the Fold button visible and without, and post them for me

Still within the trial period, been using it for about a week now. I play exclusively $20+ tourneys so it wouldn't work at all if I was using microstakes versions. This problem only exist(ed) on partypoker tables.

ok i hope you dont mind bearing with me as we try to solve this.

i've just gone through all of your posts again, and here are the best clues.

first, this is most telling. as long as these settings are in your config file, then SaT will detect party tables and then resize them to this size. this party table size is far from your grid slot size at the top.

the 800x566 is the default party table size, and that is what SaT is trying to resize to according to this setting in the config file.

SaT will successfully detect the tables and work normally on these tables which will seem to be sized smaller than your grid slots, which leads to..

next, we need to be clear on what happens when SaT 'works' and successfully detects a table. just so we're on the same page. if a table is 'detected' by SaT, then i'm gonna assume that it shows up in the table # count on the Main tab in the application, and that SaT hotkeys will work on the table.

so, as for the above, SaT will detect a party table as long as it contains either a "$" or a "/" in the table's title bar. if you are saying that the table is sizing CORRECTLY to your slot size of 900x647, then that means that SaT is probably NOT detecting it, because if SaT was detecting it, then it should be sized smaller, 800x566, according to the ini setting above.

as mentioned before, if they ARE your correct size, then SaT shouldn't be working on them right now, based on the settings in your current config.


all this leads to, we need to get SaT to be resizing your party table to your grid slot size. this occurs during Include Site setup. i know you said that you've done it a few times already.

if you dont mind, can you try to remove party and re-Include it once more in SaT? and then re-post your layout config file so we can see if the included_resized_table_width/height have changed?

Note: I didn't actually re-add party, the only thing I've done since posting my previous config is re-add pokerstars. I realise there is no way this could happen, so I really have no explanation for it, but the program is working quite well now so I'm not going to complain. I'll be buying the full version after my session today. I gotta admit, you have given far better support than literally every other poker based program I've seen.

While its annoying that this is a subscription based service, its the only multitabling/hotkey program that is actually being updated, making it easily worth the money.

ha, this really is quite weird. but if its working, its working. it looks like it should work now that the included_resized_width/height's are correct.

thanks. i am happy when users truly find my software helpful to them. i like to think that my customers are the most satisfied but that could just be my delusions

this was obviously a large decision that has probably cost me customers and maybe money too. anyway, i will likely be raising prices soon, which will probably anger even more people. what can you do? i'm making peanuts on this software and have had thoughts of dropping it altogether given the time requirements. we'll see how it turns out

unfortunately still not working....by the way...does it matter if its racetrack or classic tables on FTP? also when I reinstalled software to get the original layouts back, do I have to set up SaT again? cause I didnt do that but even with the original layout it was not working...as far as I remember it had some problems when I was in the blinds...and also tables did not go back into the stack after I folded as they should have.

by the way..this is the table mod i was using
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/219/image000xh.jpg
buttons are kinda the same greyish colour as the rest...so its not really different

no. as far as i remember, the button locations are the same regardless of racetrack or classic. all SaT cares about are the buttons.

yes, you want to remove FTP and re-Include it in SaT. any time you change themes and the button colors change, you need to go through the Include Site setup process again so that SaT can grab the changed colors.

are you still using that mod? can you post a screenshot when the buttons are visible?

Yeah, it'd be nice if there was a quick list of .ini commands for the guys that are good enough to screw around without messing everything up(or understand how to re-install a program) but not good enough to actually create something like this
To be honest, given what this program allows you to do, you could easily charge a pretty insane monthly fee and still get customers from MS/HS regs who understand how useful it could be. A lot of people would bitch and complain about it, but chances are you wouldn't lose much of the current userbase. The software would have to be bugfree though


Speaking of which, I just tried to add pacific888(from the australian website if that makes a difference) and it didn't detect the table at all during setup. I then tried to do it through the custom site creator, the setup worked, but when I start SaT up after that it says "Error: 888(I named the .ini this) settings not found, this often happens when a site is no longer supported"

Also, about half way through my session yesterday, SaT started pressing the call button instead of fold on Titan poker.(iPoker) I had been playing without a hitch for a good 3-4 hours before that. When I removed/re-added the site, it was still clicking call on the "Press F10 to fold" part of the setup. I've since made a custom site .ini for it that works fine, but figured I'd let you know.

EDIT: Dunno if this would make a difference, but iPoker network has also been frequently disconnecting, every time it reloads it has to load tables back up.

Ok....I removed FTP and reincluded FTP into SaT...now there are some new problems...first of all...here is the pic...its another old FTP layout i would like to use from now on...so if possible please try to figure it our with that one

http://s1.directupload.net/file/d/3092/gk6hql4n_jpg.htm

problems after last test:
1. when i post the blind out of order and then check when its my turn the table will not be moved to a new table slot altough I have set SaT up with "after entering pot"
2. when I enter the pot by raising or limping the table gets moved (as I want it to)...but once a street gets checked the table goes back into the stack slot
3. when i win or lose a pot after showdown the table stays at that slot for the new hand and does not go back into the stack slot (but it goes back into the stack slot once I fold during a hand)

basically what I want is that once I enter the pot..no matter how the table gets moved to the grid and after folding or the hand is over the tables get back into the stack slot.

i assume for this, you mean when it asks to press F9 during Include Site setup? this could be a problem with the australian version. SaT looks for the 888 lobby window first, and it detects that by the exact titlebar text "Lobby" with nothing else. this works for the 888poker.com that i tried

this could also be a problem if you've put spaces in the custom site ini file name. i dont know if i put this warning or not. you can simply remove the spaces from the filename and then try to remove and re-include it

clicking the wrong action button on ipoker is typically because the user has changed the chatbox state. as mentioned on the ipoker page on the site, the built in settings are designed for when the chatbox is fully visible:
http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/help/ipoker

Little reminder cause you typed your responce to semesa during the time I wrote mine...so hopefully you have not overlooked my post (#4219).

All of these happen to me as well, but only if I press the fold hotkey when its possible for me to check.


My lobby window also has the text "Lobby" and nothing else. Will post a screenshot in 10 mins.

There are no spaces in the .ini filename.


EDIT:
Pacific888 fail


Ipoker seems to have failed somewhat when I tried to re-add it

hrmmm, that layout MIGHT be ok, because the button colors are light gray, while it looks like the table background behind the colors are a dark gray. if this was an issue, the problem you would notice would be that tables are popping up when it is not your turn to act. you didn't mention that, so i'm gonna assume that this color theme will work.

these two seem related.

the problem with Full Tilt is that when you can check for free, they move the check button where the fold button usually is, in the first button spot. normally there are three buttons: fold/call/bet. however, when you can check for free, there are only two buttons: check//bet. the middle button is removed and the check button is moved to the first position. this would mean that SaT would detect that fold was pressed

however, quite a long time ago i incorporated a fix for this, so this shouldn't be happening unless you are using a custom site profile for FTP instead of the built-in settings.

for this, you need to turn on End of Hand detection in Advanced Options. details are here:
http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/help/advanced-options

keep in mind that for the holecard detection to work, you need to have preferred seating set up.

but, an issue you will run into is that you are using a custom deck. when SaT asks to click on a solid white part of the card, you should click on a part of the card that is a solid color. you don't want to click on the number which is white because that number will change. however, your deck color includes black cards for one of the suits, and that black looks very close to the table background, so you might find that SaT is sending tables to the stack prematurely. it will find the black and think that the hand is over, when in reality there is a black card there

man wtf. i just tested this on my system and it works as expected.

when i can check for free on FTP, and i click check with mouse or if i use a fold hotkey, the table correctly responds as if check was pressed. if its in the grid, it won't return to the stack


this is strange then. using the built in settings should work for you. do you get any message when F9 fails? are you maybe running 888 as admin and SaT not? on my system 888 forces me to run it as administrator, so SaT needs the same privileges

can you post the full custom site ini?

ok...strangly enough I did restart the two programms and its now working...however I have ony problem with my HUD/HEM2 right now...whenever a table gets moved to the grid the HUD disappears on those tables so I'm playing without a HUD which is not what I want obviously....is this a known problem...I mean I know I probably have to ask in the HEM2 forums about that but maybe you have heard about that problem cause when I play the tables tiled all over my screen the HUD stays visible.