Damn I got it finally working I think, under Windows XP mode. I only get the message that the buttons are detected as black (Got that message too in Windows 7), first I had version 2.0. Which wouldn't go any further, then after downloading 2.0.1 it detected 1 tiled table and already stacked it and it popped out!

K so I am going to try windows 7 now because i have my tracker there!

K so the only difference is in Windows 7 my trial has ended and i am not using the bet button but fold button as action_button!

Using the bet button now on play money table, only thing I can think of is that the trial version also doesn't work on play money tables anymore.

if buttons are detected as black, and they really arent black, then you will have problems

trial version should work on play money tables just the same as regular tables. if the trial has expired, then it will only work on real money tables below $.02/$.05, so try on micro stakes real money tables

and what site are you talking about?

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I haven't got it working on my main os, only on the windows xp mode virtual os till now.

What on earth happened to this program? No link and bobofett edited OP?

are there any new release/link for update?

program is still going strong

www.stackandtile.com/sat

2+2 guidelines won't allow advertising unless you pay them, so this thread is just for support

the program will notify you when new version is available

I have problem with my SaT.
I play on some undeground network. I was using just browser to play there cause there is no client. The problem is I found that there is HUD support but you have to use some additional tool. That tool doesn't open tables in browser but via this program (so different windows class: WindowsForms10.Window.8.app.0.e2aa0d).
Till Yesterday everything was working fine but now I have problems.
SaT doesn't recognize tables cause according to SaT tables class doesn't match. The problem is when I just add again site via other-->custom site creator everything works smoothly but when I stop/restart SaT it doesn't recognize tables anymore. I can't just remove/add site again cause it doesn't help. I have to go via custom site creator every time.

can you check if the window_class changes each time? the different window class you listed had some random numbers at the end. this happens sometimes depending on the windows application. so please check if the exact class changes when you restart this new client, if theres different random numbers or something (you can just leave the custom site creator open to check the class). if the class changes, then obviously SaT will not detect the new class.

if that is in fact the case, you can just use a partial part of the class, for example, leaving off the random numbers at the end, and just using "WindowsForms10.Window.8.app" or whatever looks to be consistent

where can I actually download this and find out full detail of its full capabilities?

I had a quick search of 2+2 but could only find this thread....

Hey Greg!!

I'm back after a year or so (check your PM's for conversations we had if you don't remember me).

I'm interested again in the program. But definitely want end of hand detection to be implemented. So let's deal with this sucker!


Here's some input on this issue:

1. Finding out how often does this situation occur, and the possible scenarios.
   • Using a 100,000 dealt hands sample (6max);
   • Counting the hands that end without you folding. There are 3 types:
     • Won Preflop: ~10,000 hands;
     • Won Postflop: ~7,300 hands;
     • Lost at Show: ~1,700 hands;
   • Result is ~ 19%, split in 2 scenarios (10% Preflop, 9% Postflop)
   • Conclusion: 19% of total hands dealt make up for more than 50% of hands played (VP$IP = true), so basically more than half of the grid tables stay in the grid after the hand is finished -> inefficient / annoying.
2. Ideas on handling the problem:
   • Asking Thois on how he did that on PS (you probably already have);
   • While a common approach for all sites may not work, go site specific (HH read on some, pixeldetect on other, etc); There's no good reason for you to stick to one method to rule them all;
   • There may be other things to scan for: value of the pot (when it decreases it's a new hand), current hand #number, the moving of the dealer button... and there might be other as well ;
   • If you can solve at least 50% of sites, you can add those to independent releases (i.e. don't wait until you fix ALL, few sites is better than no sites); also, I believe a lot of sites allow to have a fixed seat position (so you could do them in one shot).

At the end it all comes down to a little inspiration, and you put this into the program, and we are all happy.

ummm, GOOGLE stackandtile

or type stackandtile.com into your browser

just random suggestions

http://www.stackandtile.com/sat

heh, believe me, its one of the top items on the to-do list, but it needs to be a good solution and worth it for all customers, and also worth the time for me to implement this solution.

this data is excellent, thank you so much for providing it. this issue affecting half the hands is quite significant, i wasn't aware that it was that large. comparing preflop and postflop with 10k and 7k respectively, i guess its about even. it gives the edge to the "hole card" method, which should cover both preflop and postflop. the "flop card" method would miss over half of the hands since the flop would never be seen



fairly certain that he scanned HHs

it makes maintenance a nightmare. if i start adding site specific functionality, then the tool becomes more specialized and soon, equal credence could end up being given for on feature to click double rebuy button on stars double or nothing sngs tables (for ex). i dont really want to go that route.

i can't grab the TEXT of those, the pot value, the hand number, those are all usually implanted onto the table, so i would need to grab an image and then try to translate that into text, which is crazy unreliable, for ex, 1=l, E=8, etc. and it would be site specific as well

again, i really want things to work for all sites. thats always gonna be my preference. and in this case, it is probably doable:

based on your post, i am leaning toward the hole card approach. this should be able to span across all sites, since i'm sure all sites use WHITE for the cards. then during include site setup, i can just request the user to grab the location of the card just the same as i ask to grab the color of fold button.

so i think looking for Hole Cards is the best solution. here are the two issues:

1. fixed seat position is required. not all sites allow this, but i think its probably acceptable to notify the user of this and tell them it won't work otherwise. in fact, maybe i would disable the whole "end of hand detection" by default, so that people aren't confused why tables are flying back to the stack if they aren't using fixed seat position.

2. the one other issue that has come up with grabbing the hole cards, is that if the next hand is dealt too soon. usually, you have hole cards right until the very end of the hand, and then they disappear for a split second, and a new hand is dealt. how long is this delay? it probably varies across sites. if SaT doesn't scan fast enough, then the table will not be detected as the "end of hand", since by the time SaT gets through all the tables, it might still see the hole cards visible. i haven't thought it all through, but i dont think this is too terrible, it would just mean that the table would stay in grid, just as it currently is

Some use modded cards, which aren't white, but you can grab the location AND color of the cards as well...
1. Just made a little research, I'd say that 95% of people play on sites that have a fixed seating option.
2. I'll let you figure this out. Some sites have an option to disable animation, which would replace the holecards almost instantly, but I still think it's enough time. Again, you have to test and see.



Also, I haven't tested SaT since last year, so I don't know if you have a table counter (total, in stack, sit out, etc), but should be handy and definitely quite easy to add.

good point. ill have to do that

yeah i think those issues aren't deal breakers, and the users will be able to deal with it and accept some slight annoyances

yeah there are counters for Stacked Tables, Tiled Tables, and New Tables, but none for Old Tables (sitting out). i am rethinking the gui layout too.

lately ive been playing a lot of live PLO and making much more than this program could ever provide, so my attention has been split

First impressions from SaT:

Make it easier to find your website: if I type in stack and tile into google, I think it'd be good for business if it actually appears.

Remove this from your home page: (Forgive the video quality. I'm a poker player, not a public speaker )

You shouldn't be talking down on anything to do with your product, it's unnecessarily putting negative thoughts in a potentials customers mind and causing them to expect a dodgy video, when it'd be +EV for you if their thinking how great this product is + if it's a bad video redo it, but I thought there was nothing wrong with it, you were a bit awkward at the end but

The program itself is somewhat flimsy, but I could be doing it wrong. At times the tables don't appear for me and I have to go through the stack looking for which ones require my attention. When I move tables out of the stack it's pretty frustrating that they move back into the stack as soon as fold: example, I fold a mediocre hand to a 3bet in a pot I have not invested in, I want to gain some information about his 3betting tendencies so I move it out of the stack, only for it to disappear again , eqorgeqiuvherkgjer rage. And at other times the tables even move back into the stack on their own accord, what gives?

Pretty awesome program but, it definitely needs some either tweaking or customization on my end

googling "stack and tile" the website comes up #1

thanks, you're right about that. i will re-do the video at some point and make it a bit clearer, and i'll remove that comment. you're right about perceptions.

i've tried to make it as user friendly as possible, but i'm a poker player first, a programmer second, and a designer far last so when i was created it, i just wanted to get the features available. its very difficult to create something thats easy and clear for the user to use, and yet be very powerful. if you look at TableNinja, you'll see similarly just a bunch of tabs and checkboxes everywhere, and you have to explain to the user what everything does. SaT has kinda devolved into that as i add more features, and i do want to re-do the interface to make it easier on people. but its v difficult and time consuming. i really like this comic: http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/03/05/simplicity/

this shouldn't happen unless your grid gets full, then there is no place for tables to move to. but still, in that case, the tables shoudl still pop to the top of the stack for you to see. however, randomly people have reported this problem, but i've yet to find anything consistent to narrow it down to. if you notice anything specific that might correlate, please let me know.

by default, the program returns tables to the stack when you click the Fold button with your mouse. you can disable this by unchecking the option for "Left Click Detection" in Advanced Options (this will also disable tables moving from stack to grid when you click a vpip button and use Tile Setting = After action)

otherwise, you can manually return tables back to the stack by setting up a "stack table" hotkey. in this case, each time you are done with a table in the grid, youll have to manually re-stack it by sending that hotkey to the table after the hand is over, or whenever you want to.

tables should only return to the stack when you send a "stack" hotkey, or when you click Fold when Left Click Detection is enabled. OR, if you have New/Old Tables set to move to the stack slot. no other times should a table return to the stack.

thanks, and thanks for all your comments, they are definitely appreciated. i'm not a business man, i just created this software as a hobby almost 2 years ago now, and tried to incorporate peoples suggestions. so your comments on how to make things more professional are def helpful

I'm glad for you. Poker is fun when you are making money. It's also fun (but in a sick way) when you are losing (provides a challenge).
Regarding your attention being split and making much more than the program could provide... I'll really try to say it mildly: it's not all about the benjamins!

yes but i'm just learning PLO so its great fun. you can play every hand and bluff every hand since everyones afraid of the nuts. doesnt get much more fun than that

Ok, so let us know when you're going to start implementing the "hole card" approach and keep us updated!

will do! probably start some preliminary work on it this week

hehe so it is, I must be blind or something =/

fair enough mate, was going to play with it some and give some suggestions but if you'd prefer, we could hook up on teamviewer sometime and we can talk about how to improve it so the average user has a more smooth transaction to it. But if you're busy having fun playing PLO I can post here instead

yea just post your thoughts, im not around much during the day

how many PC I am allowed to use for my SaT lic? I assume every one at least has a PC and Laptop

this is asked a lot, and i put the question on the website on the Buy page. anyway, the answer is two computers, just not at the same time