cool. ill focus on cake first then, since i failed after using the customsitecreator for cake2. if merge can be done without issue, then ill hold off adding it officially


exploited? screw you. you've used the program for free for how long? how much have you made as a result? if you dont think its worth it now, dont buy. vote with your wallet, i dont need your busto accusations. i dont want ungrateful people as customers anyway. thats enough of this

lol awesome. I definitely feel your pain though

Please let me know if there is any progress when it comes to the new Ongame client. I agree with Soulman that if I will consider any payments the software must be working 100% appropriate.

I also understand that you want to make some benefits from all the work invested in your software Greg. The problem as I see it is that even if it works perfectly the price is to high compared to other products. When I bought PokerTracker I paid a flat fee of about $100 and that's that. No yearly occuring payments. SaT is a very nice program, but to be honest PT (and HEM) has more functionality. So why should I pay more for something that is smaller?

Maybe I'm just a bit greedy here and other customers will gladly pay the yearly fee of $99. If so everything is fine I guess. But maybe it will prove that my views aren't that unrepresentative for new and former customers. Over the years I've seen some examples of attempts to convert free software into commercial where the people behind it overestimated the customers willingness to pay and had to make quite big adjustments in their prices and payment models to survive.

Anyway I wish you the best of luck and once again: If you succeed with Ongame please let me know and I will take the whole thing under consideration again.

^^^^^

the reason people are willing to pay more is the fact that Greg is one of the few developers working on ANY software for Cake, Merge, Ongame, etc.

However, while many are willing to pay a premium right now, I think the final pricing of this product should be competitve with programs like PT3/HEM/TN and will generate a lot more revenue in the long run.

Just my two cents, looking forward to the Cake 2.0 version.

Yeah..I can't get SaT to work at all on Merge. I don't know what the problem is. I go through the new site wizard, add everything. Go thru it. And it doesn't do anything

I think that charging $50 for the product as a previous poster suggested would be a good price. Selling a several thousand copies, as I'm sure you would do, certainly wouldn't be chump change. As a rule I never buy anything on a subscription basis either. I've got enough monthly bills to pay without adding to it. StackandTile is a good solid program which I had intended to buy when the beta was completed but not like this.

Also I wouldn't want to become dependant on this program only to find that you decided to ditch the project and move on to other pursuits, as you have repetitively stated in this thread, that you might do if you aren't happy with your profits. I would need to own the product, so I wouldn't need to wonder every day that I logged on if it was still functioning.

I hope at some point in time you will have had a change of heart about all of this but it doesn't sound like you will.

see my previous posts as to the pricing. i'm not addressing that anymore

as for whether or not the product would still function, i suppose thats a good question although i never even considered it. theres no way that i would just ditch the project and lock out paying customers. the program will work for whatever duration you've paid for, and will still be available. when i talked about potentially ditching the project, all that meant was that i would cease work on it, stop making updates and bug fixes, etc, and move my attention onto something else in my life. i would never just cut off paying customers. i guess theres no way for me to 'prove' that to you, so youll just have to make a judgement call

and i would love to sell "several thousand copies", but i have no where near that amount of users. Table Of Interest didn't either.

I got stack and tile working for Merge, but once my trial is out it's just going to be too expensive for me.

hi! i downloaded the trail and set it up to PS FT PP only for tile the tables.
and i dont know why but my cursor started to jumping, i restarted it but nothing goes right please help. ty can i buy a lifetime liscence?

hrmm. very strange that the cursor is jumping. try removing ft and pp, lets try one site ps only first. when you say 'nothing goes right', what exactly goes wrong?

i meant i just had exactly the same problem. ok i tried only with PS without skins/mods but the result is the same. i hope we find solution because it looks really helpful and i want to buy it in the future. thanks

ok, what does it mean that the cursor is jumping? when exactly does it jump? where does it move to? if you have skype PM me your name and ill have a look at your screen

hi greg,

i played a little bit of Rushpoker today and found that the Quickfold-button does not return the tables into the stack.

bug or feature?

when clicking quick fold with the mouse? bug i suppose. as it stands now, SaT can only handle one fold button. i didnt put too much thought into Rush poker since it already allows you to play many more hands

I use Stack and Tile to tile all my tables in a grid of 9.

Is it possible to move tables around?

I want to move some tables "speed tables" to positions 1-4 I tried the hotkey
"Manually move table" but that only seems to the table to the next position in the grid so if I continue to move the table it will end up in the last position of the grid 9 in my case. After that I cant move it anymore.

yeah, someone else requested this too. in the next version i will fix it so that if you use 'manual move' on a table in the last slot (9), it will start at slot1 again

I had a really simple setup that worked well for me. The right mouse button would send a table to the grid and clicking the middle mouse button would send a table back to slot 1.

Yes, when clicking quick fold with the mouse (hotkey doesnt work either).

I dont plan on adding more tables - i already play 5-6 - but i am looking for a way to improve efficiencey (mouse & eye movement) so that i can play longer sessions. I think that stacking the tables in Vpip mode would accomplish that.

Is there a chance that u will look into this?

hey greg, congrats on getting this far!

just a couple of things on the pricing that I believe have not been mentioned:

1. 50 cents per day. That is nothing.

2. $15 per month means a user can actually save money. For, if it is not their cup of tea after using it for a month, a user can then discontinue payment, rather than being forced to fork out $50-$100 upfront for a lifetime licence. And, if they choose to continue paying, it will be because it is an investment, increasing their monthly income by more than $15.

So whichever way one looks at it no-one can come out a loser with this pricing structure.

ill add it to my to-do list to look into. right now i have other stuff going on

but there is a workaround, if you are willing to use hotkeys. if you have a program such as FTCash or TableNinja or something that will handle the QuickFold button, set up the same hotkey in SaT as a "Stack Table" hotkey, but prefix it with "~". for example:

TableNinja QuickFold hotkey: F
SaT Stack Table hotkey: ~F

thanks for the support man

if anyone is mistakenly being taken to this link on the site:

http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/sat

please let me know how you are getting directed there so i can fix the broken link

any news regardings the new ongame java client?

cant get it to work on party but FTP works fine, I know they just had an update today... I didn't troubleshoot very hard though.

I think subscription based is fine as long as the product is good and constantly current.