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03-04-2023 , 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by thr33bet
Hi Scylla,
Is there a way to run a solve with given parameters in the below table, then slightly different starting pot/effstack/rake/cap parameters? I'm asking because I've been building detailed trees for 3bet pots and then editing out the branches that don't make practical sense. I'd like to keep the actions the same while only making tweaks to these parameters instead of rebuilding the tree with slightly different parameters, then going back in and editing again.
You can make changes to the:
- Preflop ranges
- Board
- Rake
- Cap
- ICM settings (if applicable)

After making these changes, go to "Build tree", click on the "Rebuild" tab and press "Rebuild with current settings".

It's however not possible to make changes to the pot or effective stacks.
This is because players would suddenly be all-in at a different point in the hand.


Last edited by scylla; 03-04-2023 at 03:48 AM.
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03-04-2023 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
You can make changes to the:
- Preflop ranges
- Board
- Rake
- Cap
- ICM settings (if applicable)

After making these changes, go to "Build tree", click on the "Rebuild" tab and press "Rebuild with current settings".

It's however not possible to make changes to the pot or effective stacks.
This is because players would suddenly be all-in at a different point in the hand.

Thanks!
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03-04-2023 , 07:54 PM
Hi to all!

Can anyone suggest tutorials or courses for GTO+ except :

YouTube Channel - OdB BlackBaron

YouTube Channel - Solver School

YouTube Channel - Scylla GTOplus

REDCHIP POKER - THE GTO+ SOLVER BUNDLE

Any feedpack for Solver Masterclass? Does it worth it?

Any share of excel reports it will be appreciate

Any study group, discord channel , coach who can help ?

Pls advice!
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03-05-2023 , 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by NoStress
Hi to all!

Can anyone suggest tutorials or courses for GTO+ except :

YouTube Channel - OdB BlackBaron

YouTube Channel - Solver School

YouTube Channel - Scylla GTOplus

REDCHIP POKER - THE GTO+ SOLVER BUNDLE

Any feedpack for Solver Masterclass? Does it worth it?

Any share of excel reports it will be appreciate

Any study group, discord channel , coach who can help ?

Pls advice!
We do have a new updated video series.
It's currently available as a preview on our channel, but we haven't made it fully public yet.
The series is hidden under "Playlists".
Here's a link, just in case you're not aware of it: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...akytA-dSEFYA9O
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03-08-2023 , 05:01 AM
Hi Scylla,

I have a couple suggestions for the hand category table. First, maybe a draw category called "No Draw" for hands that do not have a flushdraw, oesd, gutshot, backdoor flush or anything. I would be curious to see how this category bets on dry boards vs wet boards, etc. It would be nice to able to separate out the hands with no drawing ability.

Second, I like the ability to export the hand category table as a text output. I think a function would be useful where we could export a table with the bet frequencies by hand class and draw. For example, the rows of the table are hand classes (flush, set, top pair, etc) and the columns are draw (flush draw, oesd, no draw, etc.). That would really help break down which hands are betting and for which reasons.
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03-08-2023 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by terribad1234
Hi Scylla,
I have a couple suggestions for the hand category table. First, maybe a draw category called "No Draw" for hands that do not have a flushdraw, oesd, gutshot, backdoor flush or anything. I would be curious to see how this category bets on dry boards vs wet boards, etc. It would be nice to able to separate out the hands with no drawing ability.
Ok, I will consider it for future releases.

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Originally Posted by terribad1234
Second, I like the ability to export the hand category table as a text output. I think a function would be useful where we could export a table with the bet frequencies by hand class and draw. For example, the rows of the table are hand classes (flush, set, top pair, etc) and the columns are draw (flush draw, oesd, no draw, etc.). That would really help break down which hands are betting and for which reasons.
As of one of the more recent versions, there's an output button for the stats.
See the pic below.
We can consider adding additional features here as well.

However, if you mouse over a stat, then the overlap with the other stats is already shown.
So this feature is already available to a certain extent.


Last edited by scylla; 03-08-2023 at 02:18 PM.
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03-09-2023 , 01:48 PM
Hello Scylla,

For the next update it would be nice to be able to lock just one or more combos in the range and not the whole range. like on pio
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03-09-2023 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by robinet
Hello Scylla,
For the next update it would be nice to be able to lock just one or more combos in the range and not the whole range. like on pio
We looked into this, but the interface was just too confusing to work with. The problem is that it requires two clicks for every combo. The first click to set the desired strategy. The second click to set which combos you want to keep locked. This sounds very straightforward, but as it turns out, within a list of hundreds of combos, it's humanly impossible to keep track of which combos have been set, and which combos have been locked. It was just an enormous mess, and we decided to leave it out entirely. It's not difficult to accomplish from within the solving algorithm, but this is purely because it doesn't work from within the interface.
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03-10-2023 , 08:35 AM
Hello, Scylla.
Please consider adding the following functionality:
it would be convenient if, when working in the database mode, from the main window it would be possible to switch between different flops of databse (left/right arrows). That is, we work with flop № 65, press the arrow to the right and switch to flop № 66. And yet, it would be convenient if, for example, I have the filter pp< on flop № 65, and when switching to flop № 66, the previously selected filter is also shown to me , that is pp<.

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P.S. Please also do not forget my previous wishes for improving the program:
-https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=12569 (from Pio 2 → 4)Node-locking (23:10) and 5)Strategy + React (29:20) as the most interesting)
-https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=12763 (after bet/raise react view)
-https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=12849 (alternative view (without deleting the classic view) of the statistics column)
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03-10-2023 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by merkutio137
Hello, Scylla.
Please consider adding the following functionality:
it would be convenient if, when working in the database mode, from the main window it would be possible to switch between different flops of databse (left/right arrows). That is, we work with flop № 65, press the arrow to the right and switch to flop № 66. And yet, it would be convenient if, for example, I have the filter pp< on flop № 65, and when switching to flop № 66, the previously selected filter is also shown to me , that is pp<.
Spoiler:

P.S. Please also do not forget my previous wishes for improving the program:
-https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=12569 (from Pio 2 → 4)Node-locking (23:10) and 5)Strategy + React (29:20) as the most interesting)
-https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=12763 (after bet/raise react view)
-https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=12849 (alternative view (without deleting the classic view) of the statistics column)
We did add the final option earlier today, so at the very least that should be available.
The other options have their upsides, with as a downside, that they make the interface more difficult to use.
So we can consider adding them, but these options are not without their pitfalls.
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03-10-2023 , 07:22 PM
Hello Scylla,

Just another quick suggestion for gto+. Right now there is a "Specific Hand" and "Entire Range" tab for browsing through the database. Both these are very useful. I think a good category to add would be "Specific Hand Category" where you could see how straights, flushes, top pair, etc. acts across different boards. Same for the turn and river reports, would be nice to see how top pair acts across different turns.

And being able to sort by draw would be nice too, like top pair+flushdraw across different flops, or no made hand+gutshot.

I think the future of solvers is a lot of big data analysis and aggregate reports, so any function that makes those easier to study is a huge advantage. That's just what I've seen from studying, watching videos of coaches, etc.

Last edited by terribad1234; 03-10-2023 at 07:29 PM.
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03-11-2023 , 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by terribad1234
Hello Scylla,
Just another quick suggestion for gto+. Right now there is a "Specific Hand" and "Entire Range" tab for browsing through the database. Both these are very useful. I think a good category to add would be "Specific Hand Category" where you could see how straights, flushes, top pair, etc. acts across different boards. Same for the turn and river reports, would be nice to see how top pair acts across different turns.
And being able to sort by draw would be nice too, like top pair+flushdraw across different flops, or no made hand+gutshot.
I think the future of solvers is a lot of big data analysis and aggregate reports, so any function that makes those easier to study is a huge advantage. That's just what I've seen from studying, watching videos of coaches, etc.
This isn't really possible, given that different boards have their own sets of stats.
Some boards have two card flushdraws, others don't.
Some boards can have top pair, other don't.
There is no list of stats that can be used across all boards.

For example, see below for the list of stats for a Td9d6h flop, where the turn is respectively Jd and Th.


Last edited by scylla; 03-11-2023 at 03:44 AM.
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03-14-2023 , 11:56 AM
Hello Scylla, for the next update, it would be nice to have a range heatmap for EV, equity, EQR...
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03-15-2023 , 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by robinet
Hello Scylla, for the next update, it would be nice to have a range heatmap for EV, equity, EQR...
Heatmaps are already available under turn/river reports.
See the screenshot below.
Click on the titles for the columns to switch between displaying EV/Equity/Bet%.

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03-15-2023 , 11:50 AM
I wanted to talk about ranges, for example

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03-15-2023 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by robinet
I wanted to talk about ranges, for example
We do offer colour based equity display when mousing over stats.
Is this what you're referring to?

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03-15-2023 , 03:31 PM
No, it is to be able to have the EVs written in the matrix, as in the example below.

And doing the same with eqr and equity will be great



I guess that should be easy to do.
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03-15-2023 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by robinet
No, it is to be able to have the EVs written in the matrix, as in the example below.
And doing the same with eqr and equity will be great
I guess that should be easy to do.
Ok, I will consider it for future releases.
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03-16-2023 , 09:46 PM
cardrunnersev hand range format does not accept gto+ format.

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[1.48109]9h8h,9d8d,9s8s,9c8c[/1.48109],[3.32298]Jh9h,Jd9d,Js9s,Jc9c[/3.32298],[8.22291]5d5h,5s5h,5c5h,5s5d,5c5d,5c5s[/8.22291],[11.1828]KhJd,KhJs,KhJc,KdJh,KdJs,KdJc,KsJh,KsJd,KsJc,KcJh, KcJd,KcJs[/11.1828],[12.5139]AhJd,AhJs,AhJc,AdJh,AdJs,AdJc,AsJh,AsJd,AsJc,AcJh, AcJd,AcJs[/12.5139],[18.7972]8h7h,8d7d,8s7s,8c7c[/18.7972],[27.197]7h6h,7d6d,7s6s,7c6c[/27.197],[28.1209]6d6h,6s6h,6c6h,6s6d,6c6d,6c6s[/28.1209],[28.847499999999997]Ah7h,Ad7d,As7s,Ac7c[/28.847499999999997],[31.8703]JhTh,JdTd,JsTs,JcTc[/31.8703],[32.1672]KhJh,KdJd,KsJs,KcJc[/32.1672],[32.8174]6h5h,6d5d,6s5s,6c5c[/32.8174],[36.8551]KhQh,KdQd,KsQs,KcQc[/36.8551],[37.1794]AhQd,AhQs,AhQc,AdQh,AdQs,AdQc,AsQh,AsQd,AsQc,AcQh, AcQd,AcQs[/37.1794],[37.6614]7d7h,7s7h,7c7h,7s7d,7c7d,7c7s[/37.6614],[37.9517]8d8h,8s8h,8c8h,8s8d,8c8d,8c8s[/37.9517],[39.0025]9d9h,9s9h,9c9h,9s9d,9c9d,9c9s[/39.0025],[39.1772]Ah9h,Ad9d,As9s,Ac9c[/39.1772],[39.1779]AhJh,AdJd,AsJs,AcJc[/39.1779],[40.001599999999996]5h4h,5d4d,5s4s,5c4c[/40.001599999999996],[43.1331]JdJh,JsJh,JcJh,JsJd,JcJd,JcJs[/43.1331],[43.925]AhTh,AdTd,AsTs,AcTc[/43.925],[44.3773]Th9h,Td9d,Ts9s,Tc9c[/44.3773],[47.282999999999994]Ah3h,Ad3d,As3s,Ac3c[/47.282999999999994],[47.8687]QhTh,QdTd,QsTs,QcTc[/47.8687],[48.3792]Kh9h,Kd9d,Ks9s,Kc9c[/48.3792],[48.8284]TdTh,TsTh,TcTh,TsTd,TcTd,TcTs[/48.8284],[49.3506]KhTh,KdTd,KsTs,KcTc[/49.3506],[58.261700000000005]QhJh,QdJd,QsJs,QcJc[/58.261700000000005],[62.01950000000001]Ah4h,Ad4d,As4s,Ac4c[/62.01950000000001],[65.43719999999999]Ah5h,Ad5d,As5s,Ac5c[/65.43719999999999],[67.35560000000001]KhQd,KhQs,KhQc,KdQh,KdQs,KdQc,KsQh,KsQd,KsQc,KcQh, KcQd,KcQs[/67.35560000000001],[67.48150000000001]Ah8h,Ad8d,As8s,Ac8c[/67.48150000000001],[74.6386]AhKd,AhKs,AhKc,AdKh,AdKs,AdKc,AsKh,AsKd,AsKc,AcKh, AcKd,AcKs[/74.6386],[75.5595]QdQh,QsQh,QcQh,QsQd,QcQd,QcQs[/75.5595],[78.1002]AhQh,AdQd,AsQs,AcQc[/78.1002],AdAh,AsAh,AcAh,AsAd,AcAd,AcAs,AhKh,AdKd,AsKs,AcKc ,KdKh,KsKh,KcKh,KsKd,KcKd,KcKs

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03-17-2023 , 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by xbasilx
cardrunnersev hand range format does not accept gto+ format.
The preflop window for CREV is designed for classic preflop weights.
The advantage of this approach is that it's visually clear what has been entered in the matrix.
The disadvantage is that the preflop menu does not accept heavily weighted ranges.
For GTO purposes we have designed GTO+, and moved our GTO functionality over there.

Last edited by scylla; 03-17-2023 at 03:42 AM.
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03-17-2023 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
The preflop window for CREV is designed for classic preflop weights.
The advantage of this approach is that it's visually clear what has been entered in the matrix.
The disadvantage is that the preflop menu does not accept heavily weighted ranges.
For GTO purposes we have designed GTO+, and moved our GTO functionality over there.
I doubt that someone needs visualization over functionality, i guess it is not a big task to change hand format to gto plus. Cardrunnersev has a preflop calculation that i want to use but without weights it has no sense at all.
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03-18-2023 , 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by xbasilx
I doubt that someone needs visualization over functionality, i guess it is not a big task to change hand format to gto plus. Cardrunnersev has a preflop calculation that i want to use but without weights it has no sense at all.
The CREV preflop menu only allows up to 5 different weights.
The advantage is that it's visually clear what has been entered.
Also, you can adjust the weight for any group of hands by just changing the value of the weight.
However, CREV pre-dates GTO analysis; its interface is not designed for handing heavily weighted non-suit-symmetrical ranges.
Other than that, it's not entirely clear to me why you would want to use a non-suit-symmetrical range in the preflop phase (AsKs,AcKc ,KdKh,KsKh,KcKh).
Typically, preflop, there's no distinction between suits.

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03-19-2023 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by sbastian
Hi, scylla!

I was merging a database of the 163 subset and set weighting to "163". However, GTO+ did not recognize my files to be the 163 subset and instead used "default weights". Is there a known fix for this problem, or is there perhaps a text file with the 163 subset weights so that I can use the third option (get weights from a file)?

Can you also elaborate, where does weighting come into play on the results? On the bottom line; eg. GTO+ shows the equity to be 54.64%, but excel average function from the same data shows 54.76%?

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by scylla
Can you upgrade to v136?
In all likelihood, the subset should again be recognized.
V136 can be downloaded here: https://www.gtoplus.com/download
I am having the same issue - version 1.5.2 ... was able to get 162 flops solved but due to memory had to split one off into a separate file. Can't combine them now
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03-19-2023 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ten25
I am having the same issue - version 1.5.2 ... was able to get 162 flops solved but due to memory had to split one off into a separate file. Can't combine them now
Update. I got the merge function to display a "success" message by making a new file with all 163 flops, then solving the 1 problem flop in "single tree" mode. Then I tried to use the merge function to combine the new file with the other one that already had 162 flops solved ... but I just end up getting a file with only the 1 problem tree solved.
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03-20-2023 , 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ten25
Update. I got the merge function to display a "success" message by making a new file with all 163 flops, then solving the 1 problem flop in "single tree" mode. Then I tried to use the merge function to combine the new file with the other one that already had 162 flops solved ... but I just end up getting a file with only the 1 problem tree solved.
Can you try exporting the 162 database to a directory like C:/tmp?
Then, place the single file there as well (just as a regular, single tree, savefile).
After that, merge the files together into a database.

Go here for a short demonstration: https://youtu.be/jGpUq0nlr1s?t=592
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