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10-23-2022 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Lorryb
Hi Scylla,

I encountered some weird stuff with the tree builder:

I have in the code field B1MG15 if that matters.

First I built a tree with no flop donk (0) and 25,50,100,200 sizes for all positions for betting and 3,5x for raising.
It worked out all good, I got my tree. Then I just modified the flop bet to g3, worked well too, but when I try to modify anything in the turn or river betting sizes it always stays the same (25,50,100,200). I even completely restarted gtoplus but I still got the same sizes for turn and river. I can still change the flopsizes the way I want, but just the flop. What could be the problem?
Thanks!
Sorry Scylla,

I think I am just too tired... I was looking at oop's rang the whole time and was tweeking ip's range. Sorry it all works fine.
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10-23-2022 , 02:44 PM
Scy Hello!

About GTO Trainer:

Were you able to find a way to play a specific spot line within a DB?

Example I want to start the node from Cbet turn ip and only play this street or from here on in my database.

At least see if it can work on full storage.

Thank you!
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10-23-2022 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Mates.
Scy Hello!
About GTO Trainer:
Were you able to find a way to play a specific spot line within a DB?
Example I want to start the node from Cbet turn ip and only play this street or from here on in my database.
At least see if it can work on full storage.
Thank you!
We will probably add this for future releases, although it may not work entirely smoothly in case of starting on the river, or when using "Basic" storage.

Last edited by scylla; 10-23-2022 at 03:31 PM.
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10-23-2022 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by _player_
But if you in step 3 open OTHER file, it will not harm current changed data, separate window will be opened. This way in Word/Excel you never expect "Open" function to affect current data. In GTO+ if you open OTHER file - it closes current edit session. Thus i expect it will do so with the same file too. Like in notepad.exe
I suppose that I've never run across that particular feature for Word/Excel/notepad.
I'll consider it for future releases.
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10-24-2022 , 10:10 AM

hello can you add button for hiding/showing weight number here? i cannot read names of solutions

also there is bug with absolute and relate option, it shouldt show when iam in combos, when i toggle from percentage to combos with relative it show percentages in combos
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10-24-2022 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by magorko
hello can you add button for hiding/showing weight number here? i cannot read names of solutions
Ok, I have made some changes for v149, which should be released tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by magorko
also there is bug with absolute and relate option, it shouldt show when iam in combos, when i toggle from percentage to combos with relative it show percentages in combos
If I understand you correctly, then this isn't a bug.
The toggle will simply show how the combos are distributed, expressed as a percentage.

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10-25-2022 , 02:12 AM
Add the ability to select multiple hand categories (now it is only with no made hand and only when hovering on another one).
To exclude multiple categories when one is locked with right click e.g. no made hand is selected and to remove gutshot, oesd.

Add 1 card bdfd category for fd boards.
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10-25-2022 , 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Alexx_Bk
Add the ability to select multiple hand categories (now it is only with no made hand and only when hovering on another one).
To exclude multiple categories when one is locked with right click e.g. no made hand is selected and to remove gutshot, oesd.
Add 1 card bdfd category for fd boards.
Ok, I will consider it for future releases.
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10-25-2022 , 12:57 PM
In 149 ev graph looks fixed!

But...



there is no limit to perfection )
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10-26-2022 , 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by _player_
In 149 ev graph looks fixed!
But...

there is no limit to perfection )
Yes, I now realize that part of the code is affected as well.
I'll post a fix shortly.
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10-26-2022 , 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Ok, I have made some changes for v149, which should be released tomorrow.



If I understand you correctly, then this isn't a bug.
The toggle will simply show how the combos are distributed, expressed as a percentage.

i guess you are right, just dont see a point in having it in combos usecase for me when going to combos is lets say iam on river and i bet big and i look how many combos villain have to make call which are hard to do (lets say hard bluffcatchers like middle pair etc) and how often he have to make fold that are hard to do (like 2 pairs hands) and then if he have to make more hard calls then hard folds, i think he will overfold, i dont know if there is any usecase actually for having combos toggled while also relative % in them as well as its already done in percentages tab

one request to autoplay: can you make it slower? its really hard to keep with action, like IP bet OOP call, OOP check and IP make action so quick i have no idea what happened and we are already on river, if there is option to put x amount of seconds between each action unless action is only one to do (like for OOP if he checking range to raiser etc)

second request to autoplay: is it possible to save hands played as hand history txt format? so i can load it in poker tracking software and look stats
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10-26-2022 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by magorko
i guess you are right, just dont see a point in having it in combos usecase for me when going to combos is lets say iam on river and i bet big and i look how many combos villain have to make call which are hard to do (lets say hard bluffcatchers like middle pair etc) and how often he have to make fold that are hard to do (like 2 pairs hands) and then if he have to make more hard calls then hard folds, i think he will overfold, i dont know if there is any usecase actually for having combos toggled while also relative % in them as well as its already done in percentages tab
It's different ways of displaying combos.
It can be displayed as 5.41(3.33/2.08), meaning 5.41 combos in total, where 3.33 combos are called, and 2.08 combos are folded.
Or 5.41(62/38), meaning 5.41 combos, where 62% is called, and 38% is folded.
I suppose it's subjective which method is preferable.

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Originally Posted by magorko
one request to autoplay: can you make it slower? its really hard to keep with action, like IP bet OOP call, OOP check and IP make action so quick i have no idea what happened and we are already on river, if there is option to put x amount of seconds between each action unless action is only one to do (like for OOP if he checking range to raiser etc)
There's a toggle for the playing speed.
If needed we can consider customising the meaning of "Normal/Faster/Fastest".



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Originally Posted by magorko
second request to autoplay: is it possible to save hands played as hand history txt format? so i can load it in poker tracking software and look stats
We'd have to artificially construct some preflop data, but I suppose that it's possible to a limited extent.

Last edited by scylla; 10-26-2022 at 05:19 PM.
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10-27-2022 , 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
It's different ways of displaying combos.
It can be displayed as 5.41(3.33/2.08), meaning 5.41 combos in total, where 3.33 combos are called, and 2.08 combos are folded.
Or 5.41(62/38), meaning 5.41 combos, where 62% is called, and 38% is folded.
I suppose it's subjective which method is preferable.



There's a toggle for the playing speed.
If needed we can consider customising the meaning of "Normal/Faster/Fastest".





We'd have to artificially construct some preflop data, but I suppose that it's possible to a limited extent.
ye i used normal speed but with autoplay lot of time turn action happened so fast i couldnt even read sizing or if other player called raised etc, its still superfast, i would love to choose timing between actions by myself if its possible

edit: i was quickly checking it and when i use normal speed first action on street is in normal speed but second action is always snap, making it really hard to follow action, example: flop OOP even having option only to check he will take like 2 seconds to think and then check but IP do snap decision after, so lot of time it happens like OOP think 2 secs, check and IP snapbet OOP snapraise IP snapcall and we are on turn and i have no idea what happened, much better way would be to make timing of first action to all actions on that street except actions that have only one option, so in my solution it would be like this: OOP snapcheck flop because he doesnt have any other options to use, IP think 2 secs, bet, OOP think 2 secs, raise, IP think 2 secs, call and we are on turn, OOP think 2 secs bet, IP think 2 secs call etc

edit2: also would be nice to have hotkey for pause and continue to autoplay, so lets say i turn on autplay and just watching but once there is something special i want to pause and check that spot in solver and once i get it i would continue watching autplay

Last edited by magorko; 10-27-2022 at 05:41 AM.
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10-27-2022 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by magorko
ye i used normal speed but with autoplay lot of time turn action happened so fast i couldnt even read sizing or if other player called raised etc, its still superfast, i would love to choose timing between actions by myself if its possible

edit: i was quickly checking it and when i use normal speed first action on street is in normal speed but second action is always snap, making it really hard to follow action, example: flop OOP even having option only to check he will take like 2 seconds to think and then check but IP do snap decision after, so lot of time it happens like OOP think 2 secs, check and IP snapbet OOP snapraise IP snapcall and we are on turn and i have no idea what happened, much better way would be to make timing of first action to all actions on that street except actions that have only one option, so in my solution it would be like this: OOP snapcheck flop because he doesnt have any other options to use, IP think 2 secs, bet, OOP think 2 secs, raise, IP think 2 secs, call and we are on turn, OOP think 2 secs bet, IP think 2 secs call etc

edit2: also would be nice to have hotkey for pause and continue to autoplay, so lets say i turn on autplay and just watching but once there is something special i want to pause and check that spot in solver and once i get it i would continue watching autplay
I'm fairly certain that you can just left-click to stop auto-play, and resume whenever you want to continue.
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10-27-2022 , 08:45 PM
Hey Scylla. I'm wondering if it'd be possible to introduce a method to merge databases with the same flops but different trees, depending on the EV? For example, I'm currently running database sims to determine which flops favour a 25, 50, or 75 cbet size OOP as a one-size simplification. In this case I want to merge three databases, all with the same subset of flops, such that the trees with the highest EV for OOP are taken. I will be doing the same thing eventually when it comes to IP cbets.
Of course, it's going to take a lot of time on my end, so I'm wondering how difficult it would be to add a feature in a future release such that when merging databases with the same flop, the tree with the highest EV for OOP/ IP is selected, depending on user input.
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10-27-2022 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Yes, I now realize that part of the code is affected as well.
I'll post a fix shortly.
To be sure you are aware, in some of my databases I am not even getting the 'EV:' text underneath the 'Equity:', not just a -nan. Nothing is displayed.
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10-28-2022 , 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Bolognie1
Hey Scylla. I'm wondering if it'd be possible to introduce a method to merge databases with the same flops but different trees, depending on the EV? For example, I'm currently running database sims to determine which flops favour a 25, 50, or 75 cbet size OOP as a one-size simplification. In this case I want to merge three databases, all with the same subset of flops, such that the trees with the highest EV for OOP are taken. I will be doing the same thing eventually when it comes to IP cbets.
Of course, it's going to take a lot of time on my end, so I'm wondering how difficult it would be to add a feature in a future release such that when merging databases with the same flop, the tree with the highest EV for OOP/ IP is selected, depending on user input.
Technically this wouldn't be difficult to achieve, but it would require interface changes that some users might find difficult to work with.
Would perhaps be possible to:
1) Merge the databases
2) Go to the database display window
3) Sort by flop, so that you get a list of flops in groups of 3
4) Right-click the ones in each group with the lowest EV, in order to mark them
5) Go to "Run solver"
6) Use CTRL+right-click to delete the trees that were previously marked
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10-28-2022 , 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 1BigOT
To be sure you are aware, in some of my databases I am not even getting the 'EV:' text underneath the 'Equity:', not just a -nan. Nothing is displayed.
Can you provide a screenshot, or send a database to support (store it with "File->Save: Convert to basic storage" to bring down its size)?
I've just tried, but I can seem to reproduce the issue yet.
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10-28-2022 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Can you provide a screenshot, or send a database to support (store it with "File->Save: Convert to basic storage" to bring down its size)?
I've just tried, but I can seem to reproduce the issue yet.
The mistake was my own, no worries.
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10-29-2022 , 08:33 PM
Beautiful update Scylla. I love the percentages added to the play feature, and being able to see my range when villain isn't *supposed* to have any is very helpful. Thank you so much!

I DO have one teeny tiny feature request though, that I think could help the user-experience, at least IMO. . . so you know when playing the solution how the Escape key will take you to the solution? Well, once your in the solution the escape key no longer has a function anymore. Idea: just map it back to play against the solution. It would be great to just quickly keystroke back the same way we came. IDK, but either way I love this product. It's my favorite piece of software I own

Last edited by MadCat; 10-29-2022 at 08:38 PM.
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10-31-2022 , 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by MadCat
Beautiful update Scylla. I love the percentages added to the play feature, and being able to see my range when villain isn't *supposed* to have any is very helpful. Thank you so much!

I DO have one teeny tiny feature request though, that I think could help the user-experience, at least IMO. . . so you know when playing the solution how the Escape key will take you to the solution? Well, once your in the solution the escape key no longer has a function anymore. Idea: just map it back to play against the solution. It would be great to just quickly keystroke back the same way we came. IDK, but either way I love this product. It's my favorite piece of software I own
Ok, I will consider changing that for future releases.
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10-31-2022 , 03:48 PM
When playing against a database solution, is there a way to select the boards you want without flop filters? Like a simple shift+click select? I am trying to quickly sort by bet size or check frequencies and then include all the boards that pass whatever threshold I want to use. Is there a way to do this now, and/or can it be considered for an addition?
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10-31-2022 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 1BigOT
When playing against a database solution, is there a way to select the boards you want without flop filters? Like a simple shift+click select? I am trying to quickly sort by bet size or check frequencies and then include all the boards that pass whatever threshold I want to use. Is there a way to do this now, and/or can it be considered for an addition?
I suppose that you could:

1) Go to database mode
2) Sort by Bet %
3) Right-click the trees that you want to disable

See the screenshot below.

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10-31-2022 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
I suppose that you could:

1) Go to database mode
2) Sort by Bet %
3) Right-click the trees that you want to disable

See the screenshot below.
That's what I have been doing and it is very tedious to click 100+ times. Any sort of shift-select + right-click would be super helpful.
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11-01-2022 , 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by 1BigOT
That's what I have been doing and it is very tedious to click 100+ times. Any sort of shift-select + right-click would be super helpful.
Oh, I see what you mean now.
I'll consider it for future releases.
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