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04-16-2022 , 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Waingro13
I have FZ 2.0.7, which seems to be the last release. However the Help->About submenu says "Copyright 2018" :-)
I have GTO+ 1.4.0, which seems to be the last stable release ("Copyright 2017").
I have just tried exporting from FlopzillaPro v207 to GTO+ v140, and we seem to be correctly transferring ranges for a 444 board.
I don't see any missing cards.
Can you be more specific which spot you're referring to?

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Originally Posted by Waingro13
Since we are supposed to use the same ranges in both softwares, it is expected that their respective design and definitions would be exactly the same. And since you have made the job for GTO+, I think that it should not require huge efforts to export the piece of code into FZ, right?.
GTO+ and FlopzillaPro use the same definitions for the predefs.
And FlopzillaPro does indeed support groups.
To access groups in FlopzillaPro, press the arrow icon in the upper left.
Groups can be set with the "Apply groups" menu.
To store your grouped range, click on "Add range".


Last edited by scylla; 04-16-2022 at 07:48 AM.
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04-17-2022 , 05:12 AM
Scy hello.

Its possible to add some filter o checkbox to show the pure strategy actions?
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04-17-2022 , 10:39 AM
Hi Scylla,

Since we are able to round frequencies manually, can you add the rounding function where all hands within a chosen range of frequencies be rounded to a chosen frequency? It seems to be more efficient if you have a large amount of hands you want to round.

Thanks

Last edited by pokerboy1606; 04-17-2022 at 10:45 AM.
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04-18-2022 , 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Mates.
Scy hello.
Its possible to add some filter o checkbox to show the pure strategy actions?
Do you mean round everything to either 0 or 1?
Like in the screenshot below?


Last edited by scylla; 04-18-2022 at 02:55 AM.
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04-18-2022 , 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerboy1606
Hi Scylla,
Since we are able to round frequencies manually, can you add the rounding function where all hands within a chosen range of frequencies be rounded to a chosen frequency? It seems to be more efficient if you have a large amount of hands you want to round.
Thanks
Are you referring to an editing function, so that you can alter multiple hands to be at a different frequency?
I can see if we can add something along those lines.
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04-18-2022 , 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Are you referring to an editing function, so that you can alter multiple hands to be at a different frequency?
I can see if we can add something along those lines.
Maybe something like: all hands with a frequency between 30 and 45, round to 50; or like all hands with a frequency <25, round to 0.

Thanks
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04-18-2022 , 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Do you mean round everything to either 0 or 1?
Like in the screenshot below?

mmm not exactly, it is not for rounding, but to detect pure bet/check/fold strategies.

I guess it's easier to figure out pure check or fold strategies, but pure bet strategies are a bit more "difficult" and we generally want to start building our betting range from here.
I was thinking something that impacts the matrix.
For example, click on a checkbox for pure betting strategies and show them. The same with the pure check. or pure fold.

I think it can be interesting because the lost EV of the deviations that we can have regarding a pure strategy are the ones that cost the most in EV.

to give you an easy example. Of 3 possible sets that we could have on the flop, only 1 has a pure bet strategy.
in the same way some combo draw or overpair

Having a checkbox that checks the pure strategies for a simple glance would be great.

Last edited by Mates.; 04-18-2022 at 05:24 AM.
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04-19-2022 , 02:21 AM
Hi scylla

Do we have the option with say 0 decimal or 1 decimal only to show EV ?

Also 100/200 why sometimes solver says raise with 85% with freq when EV is -400 and call only 10 % with EV + 100 and fold 5% with EV 0 ?

If EV is -400 why so high freq raise , need some help please .
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04-19-2022 , 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 5plus5=55
Hi scylla
Do we have the option with say 0 decimal or 1 decimal only to show EV ?
Also 100/200 why sometimes solver says raise with 85% with freq when EV is -400 and call only 10 % with EV + 100 and fold 5% with EV 0 ?
If EV is -400 why so high freq raise , need some help please .
It sounds like the solver was stopped when it was in the middle of adjusting to a different strategy.
Or possibly it's a line that's almost never reached, and has not received a lot of computational power.
If you want me to take a closer look, then please send a savefile to support.
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04-19-2022 , 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Mates.
mmm not exactly, it is not for rounding, but to detect pure bet/check/fold strategies.
I guess it's easier to figure out pure check or fold strategies, but pure bet strategies are a bit more "difficult" and we generally want to start building our betting range from here.
I was thinking something that impacts the matrix.
For example, click on a checkbox for pure betting strategies and show them. The same with the pure check. or pure fold.
I think it can be interesting because the lost EV of the deviations that we can have regarding a pure strategy are the ones that cost the most in EV.
to give you an easy example. Of 3 possible sets that we could have on the flop, only 1 has a pure bet strategy.
in the same way some combo draw or overpair
Having a checkbox that checks the pure strategies for a simple glance would be great.
Ok, I will consider it for future releases.
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04-19-2022 , 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerboy1606
Maybe something like: all hands with a frequency between 30 and 45, round to 50; or like all hands with a frequency <25, round to 0.
Thanks
Ok, we can see if we can add an editing function that rounds combos.
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04-19-2022 , 10:36 AM
Scy, I'd like to ask you a question.
I have created a subset with 3 different sizings on the flop. Using the Merge actions tool, do I keep the data in the aggregated reports? Before this tool was available, if we deleted an action in a DB, the agg reports were automatically deleted.

my idea is after seeing the most frequent actions through each board, use the merge tool and solve again without losing the aggregated report (modified by changing the frequencies of course)

Well, I wanted to know if we can keep them this way, thanks!
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04-19-2022 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Mates.
Scy, I'd like to ask you a question.
I have created a subset with 3 different sizings on the flop. Using the Merge actions tool, do I keep the data in the aggregated reports? Before this tool was available, if we deleted an action in a DB, the agg reports were automatically deleted.
my idea is after seeing the most frequent actions through each board, use the merge tool and solve again without losing the aggregated report (modified by changing the frequencies of course)
Well, I wanted to know if we can keep them this way, thanks!
The merge tool does not add/remove any actions, so if you use it, and then solve the tree again, the aggregate report will still be available.
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04-19-2022 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
The merge tool does not add/remove any actions, so if you use it, and then solve the tree again, the aggregate report will still be available.

Nice to hear that Scy. The time to resolve again will be more faster or will be the same?



And Please everybody waiting an update , thank you for you amazing support.
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04-20-2022 , 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Mates.
Nice to hear that Scy. The time to resolve again will be more faster or will be the same?
And Please everybody waiting an update , thank you for you amazing support.
It will be a bit faster, given that it's easier to solve a spot where all hands are passed through a single action.
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04-20-2022 , 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
It sounds like the solver was stopped when it was in the middle of adjusting to a different strategy.
Or possibly it's a line that's almost never reached, and has not received a lot of computational power.
If you want me to take a closer look, then please send a savefile to support.
Ex in this case 100/200 Solver says

Percent: 77/ 21/ 2%

EV: -45 ( -57/ -6/ 0)

so here calling is better than raising but solver says raise with 77% freq

How to send savefile to support ?
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04-20-2022 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 5plus5=55
Ex in this case 100/200 Solver says
Percent: 77/ 21/ 2%
EV: -45 ( -57/ -6/ 0)
so here calling is better than raising but solver says raise with 77% freq
How to send savefile to support ?
Just use the contact form here: https://www.gtoplus.com/contact/
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04-20-2022 , 01:28 PM



is it possible to make the river change automatically when we click on the cards in the aggreated reports window?
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04-20-2022 , 03:28 PM
Experiencing stability issues for several versions now, all dealing with the play-against-the-solution in some way. Going from exploring the solution to gameplay can see partial freezing where I can explore the game-tree but am unable to pick the action back up without restarting the software.

Also, often when fast forwarding through a hand replay can cause the software to restart itself.

I often Ctrl+S in order to prevent lost gameplay, but would prefer stability over cool new features. Hardware (and platform change) does not solve problem. Do you recommend I consider an older version? If so, do you have one in mind?
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04-20-2022 , 03:36 PM
Scylla,

Keyboard shortcut to see the solution equals "Esc". May we also have a shortcut to bring us back to the game play from where we came? Perhaps "Esc" again could bring us back? That way we can go back and forth with ease.
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04-20-2022 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by MadCat
Does your software automatically report crashes? I've been getting them frequently in 1.3.3. Could just be my system of course.
I need to go back further than this.
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04-21-2022 , 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by MadCat
Experiencing stability issues for several versions now, all dealing with the play-against-the-solution in some way. Going from exploring the solution to gameplay can see partial freezing where I can explore the game-tree but am unable to pick the action back up without restarting the software.
I can't seem to reproduce this issue.
Are there particular steps that should be taken?

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Originally Posted by MadCat
Also, often when fast forwarding through a hand replay can cause the software to restart itself.
It's possible to replay hands, but there's no fast forward feature.
I can try to reproduce the issue over here, but can you be more specific what you mean by this?
And if possible, please send a savefile to support, given that this issue may not occur in any spot.

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Originally Posted by MadCat
I often Ctrl+S in order to prevent lost gameplay, but would prefer stability over cool new features. Hardware (and platform change) does not solve problem. Do you recommend I consider an older version? If so, do you have one in mind?
The most recent version is v142.
The "Play against the solution" feature was introduced in v120.
For download links for specific versions, please send a mail to support.

Last edited by scylla; 04-21-2022 at 03:05 AM.
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04-21-2022 , 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Mates.

is it possible to make the river change automatically when we click on the cards in the aggreated reports window?
Ok, I think that we should be able to add this.
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04-21-2022 , 05:14 AM
Thanks for the updates!

one more that should be "easy" to implement that any other requesteds is the Add to IP player the "d" in the tree builder for ip player as Delayed bet only.


Thanks for the update Scy, looks amazing
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04-21-2022 , 08:57 AM
Hi Scyla,
in the text version of the help (https://www.flopzilla.com/written.html) I read:

"
Equity and the chance of holding the best hand

If you enter two specific holecards in the dead cards section, they will be considered as a starting hand and their equity versus the range will be displayed in the small box on the lower right.
"

but I do not see this small box in FZ Pro 207.
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