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01-31-2021 , 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by p0ker_n00b


is there a way to make it so that every file in this folder is rotated inside the play against the solution game? I just want the game to treat this folder as 1 database instead of individual files.
This may not always work smoothly.
If the files are very large, then there would be a delay for every time a savefile were loaded.
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01-31-2021 , 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by hunter15
Hey,im planning to get a new cpu for my pc will my gto+ key still be active on my pc after ive made the change or will i need to get a new hardware key?
If you need a new key, then it can be requested on the "Contact" section of the website. The form is automated, so the new key will be sent to you within a few minutes of your request.
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01-31-2021 , 11:02 PM
Importing ranges from Pio Solver to GTO+ (See solution at the very end)

Has anyone found out how to import Pio ranges into GTO+? This features has been advertised to be available since version v120 but the instructions that I've been able to find online are very sketchy and don't work. I'm creating a subfolder called "pio" in the GTO directory (as instructed in the GTO+ version history web page) and copying some pio ranges into it (txt files). The settings menu from GTO+ then is supposed to offer me the option of importing them but it only offers the option of importing from FlozillaPro.

After some tinkering, I tried to place a Pio range file into the same directory where GTO.exe is located and rename it Newdefs3.txt. I also selected the option not to replace the current ranges (slider to the left) in order not to lose them but just add the new range. This time GTO+ signaled that the import was successful but nothing was imported and all the previously existing ranges have disappeared!

On edit: OK, the seven minimalist ranges that originally came with GTO+ (listed under "my ranges") are back after I restarted the application, but nothing new was imported.

Second edit: OK, I found out that the first slider in the import dialog isn't an on/off switch but rather a three-way toggle. There is an option to import from the Pio sub-directory and it works.

Last edited by PierreNormand; 01-31-2021 at 11:24 PM. Reason: More info
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02-02-2021 , 04:44 AM
Running large sim.
I have 32 threads and 64 GB RAM. I want GTO+ to use only 24 threads( how to restrict it) and 48 RAM(just type number in GTO+) because I want to be able to use PC while running Sim in a background 24/7.
AMD 3950x 64 RAM - the might run for a month but I want to use the PC for light funtions too.

Last edited by stumbras; 02-02-2021 at 05:12 AM.
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02-02-2021 , 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by stumbras
Running large sim.
I have 32 threads and 64 GB RAM. I want GTO+ to use only 24 threads( how to restrict it) and 48 RAM(just type number in GTO+) because I want to be able to use PC while running Sim in a background 24/7.
AMD 3950x 64 RAM - the might run for a month but I want to use the PC for light funtions too.
For this, under "Run solver", enther 24 for the desired number of threads.



As for the RAM, all you need to do is build trees that require less than 48GB. The required RAM will be displayed in the tree builder. Please do make sure to build this tree for an unpaired rainbow flop. These types of flops require the most RAM. If you were to build your tree for, for example, a 2flush flop, then a rainbow flop for the same tree would still require more RAM.

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02-03-2021 , 06:10 AM
Is the update to the "play vs the solution" feature confirmed where one can select the frequency of each action instead? Is there an ETA?
Ideally, as someone mentioned previously, we could choose a threshold for what's an acceptable answer.

Example:
Let's assume for a given node the solution is Fold 20.3%, Call 70.6%, Raise 9.1%

If one says it folds 15%, calls 80% and raises 5%
Given a threshold of 5% this would be a mistake (15+5 < 20.3, etc) but given a threshold of 15% it would be not considered a mistake.


I believe it is reasonable to say that finding a 0.5% fold/call/raise means nothing in the grand scheme of things and it will actually be a mistake given that most people considerations will be "this will be a fold/call/raise sometimes (assuming like a 10% frequency)" and the solver says it's correct (which technically it is) when in reality it was 2000% off (estimating 10% rather than 0.5%).
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02-03-2021 , 09:00 AM
+1 for adding the ability to select frequencies for actions when playing vs the solution.
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02-03-2021 , 05:36 PM
hi, im having problems on the turn, i only get one size, what im doing wrong ?

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02-03-2021 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by thinkpad
Is the update to the "play vs the solution" feature confirmed where one can select the frequency of each action instead? Is there an ETA?
Ideally, as someone mentioned previously, we could choose a threshold for what's an acceptable answer.

Example:
Let's assume for a given node the solution is Fold 20.3%, Call 70.6%, Raise 9.1%

If one says it folds 15%, calls 80% and raises 5%
Given a threshold of 5% this would be a mistake (15+5 < 20.3, etc) but given a threshold of 15% it would be not considered a mistake.


I believe it is reasonable to say that finding a 0.5% fold/call/raise means nothing in the grand scheme of things and it will actually be a mistake given that most people considerations will be "this will be a fold/call/raise sometimes (assuming like a 10% frequency)" and the solver says it's correct (which technically it is) when in reality it was 2000% off (estimating 10% rather than 0.5%).
We can consider it for future releases, but please do note that just because you choose a different frequency, it doesn't necessarily mean that your answer is wrong. Mixes are usually chosen both to set up ranges in followup lines, and also to set up frequencies. Betting a certain hand more, and betting a different hand less will often cancel out.
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02-03-2021 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by duckyfAL
hi, im having problems on the turn, i only get one size, what im doing wrong ?

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Can you try turning OFF "With only 2 bets left, get the money in smoothly"? With this option, if the stack-to-pot ratio becomes low, the tree builder will ignore further instructions and finalize the play with two geometrically sized bets. So basically, if the stacks become shallow, the tree builder will choose bets so that it makes sense to the stack-to-pot ratio.
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02-03-2021 , 09:08 PM
Feature request, or workaround inquiry: Saving custom tree templates.

GTO+ enables one to save the current advanced tree configuration as a template (profile) but not trees that have been fine tuned with the "Edit tree" function. I had thought a workaround for that would have been to save the complete solve including ranges and board as a .gto file and then, when this exact tree configuration is needed again, load this .gto file and only update the ranges and board. Unfortunately, when I attempt to rerun the solver after having updated the flop and ranges, the solver gives me the option of rebuilding the tree (and hence losing the tree customisations) or not rebuilding it (hence disregarding the updated flop and ranges).

It would be useful to have as third option the possibility to keep the general tree configuration and update only the ranges and flop, unless someone can think of another workaround...
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02-04-2021 , 01:31 AM
Might there be a bug in the "Display method 2" for action frequencies?

They are displayed accurately when the "Entire decision" tab is selected but when I select the tabs for individual actions such as "Bet 2.15" or "Check", the displayed frequencies don't reflect the actual percentages; they are very inflated and sum up to much more than 100%. See the picture below for the checking frequencies. The six combos of AA are supposed to be checked about 43% of the time on average. But in the grid the checking option covers about two thirds of the box.

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02-04-2021 , 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by PierreNormand
Might there be a bug in the "Display method 2" for action frequencies?

They are displayed accurately when the "Entire decision" tab is selected but when I select the tabs for individual actions such as "Bet 2.15" or "Check", the displayed frequencies don't reflect the actual percentages; they are very inflated and sum up to much more than 100%. See the picture below for the checking frequencies. The six combos of AA are supposed to be checked about 43% of the time on average. But in the grid the checking option covers about two thirds of the box.

Can you try turning OFF "Settings->Scale small stats"?
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02-04-2021 , 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by PierreNormand
Feature request, or workaround inquiry: Saving custom tree templates.

GTO+ enables one to save the current advanced tree configuration as a template (profile) but not trees that have been fine tuned with the "Edit tree" function. I had thought a workaround for that would have been to save the complete solve including ranges and board as a .gto file and then, when this exact tree configuration is needed again, load this .gto file and only update the ranges and board. Unfortunately, when I attempt to rerun the solver after having updated the flop and ranges, the solver gives me the option of rebuilding the tree (and hence losing the tree customisations) or not rebuilding it (hence disregarding the updated flop and ranges).

It would be useful to have as third option the possibility to keep the general tree configuration and update only the ranges and flop, unless someone can think of another workaround...
For this, create a savefile of your tree.

If you ever want to use this tree again for a different flop/ranges/other:
1) Load the savefile
2) Make any changes as you see fit
3) Go to "Build tree"
4) Select the tab "Rebuild"
5) Click on "Rebuild with current settings"

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02-04-2021 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Can you try turning OFF "Settings->Scale small stats"?
So, it's not a bug; it's a feature!

Thanks so much. Problem solved.
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02-04-2021 , 05:15 PM
[QUOTE=scylla;56890275]For this, create a savefile of your tree.

If you ever want to use this tree again for a different flop/ranges/other:
1) Load the savefile
2) Make any changes as you see fit
3) Go to "Build tree"
4) Select the tab "Rebuild"
5) Click on "Rebuild with current settings"

Yes, this is exactly the sort of workaround I was looking for. Thanks so much!

Last edited by PierreNormand; 02-04-2021 at 05:22 PM.
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02-05-2021 , 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Can you try turning OFF "With only 2 bets left, get the money in smoothly"? With this option, if the stack-to-pot ratio becomes low, the tree builder will ignore further instructions and finalize the play with two geometrically sized bets. So basically, if the stacks become shallow, the tree builder will choose bets so that it makes sense to the stack-to-pot ratio.

i will try it tomorrow, how can i thank you, you are very kind and attentive, really thanks and keep being like this, the world would be a better place for people like you.

i mean it.

i will try and i will tell you thanks
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02-05-2021 , 11:22 AM
Hey scylla,

I've been using GTO+ to study almost daily for a few weeks, so I thought I would give you some feedback about what I think are the most important missing features:

#1. I'm going to repeat myself, but please add a way to change the default turn&river solving accuracy. To me, that's the only thing missing that makes GTO+ sometimes annoying to use.

#2. Could you add a flop filter for the second and third card of the flop?
The exact same as "Top card" in this image but for the other 2 cards of the flop:

Being able to quickly find all the Ace + 2 low cards flop in a database, for example, would be amazing.

#3. In play against the solution, could you add a way to see what the solution was even when we pick a correct option? (Like what you have as "Training mode" now, but that display the solution no matter if you picked a right or wrong option). Or add a small display of you last action with all the frequencies, like what Lucid GTO does:

Other than that, GTO+ is pretty much perfect, so congratz!
And thanks for the amazing customer service! <3
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02-05-2021 , 06:38 PM
I already have 2 gto+ licenses(running solves on extra pc's), for 3rd license do I get discount?
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02-05-2021 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by rogorz
Hey scylla,

#2. Could you add a flop filter for the second and third card of the flop?
The exact same as "Top card" in this image but for the other 2 cards of the flop:

Being able to quickly find all the Ace + 2 low cards flop in a database, for example, would be amazing.

This would be really handy when running huge databases. Would want to see this as well. You could also have more categories like 1 broadway, 2 broadway, etc. as an alternative.

Anything to filter more flops would be nice
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02-06-2021 , 01:31 AM
Will GTO+ run on Windows 10 Pro for Workstations - want to run on 4 socket(4CPU's 64 cores)server? Dell Poweredge R815 Opteron 6380 2.5ghz 64-Cores 512gb

Last edited by stumbras; 02-06-2021 at 01:49 AM.
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02-06-2021 , 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by stumbras
I already have 2 gto+ licenses(running solves on extra pc's), for 3rd license do I get discount?
It's probably easiest if you contact support for this.

Last edited by scylla; 02-06-2021 at 04:19 AM.
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02-06-2021 , 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by rogorz
Hey scylla,

I've been using GTO+ to study almost daily for a few weeks, so I thought I would give you some feedback about what I think are the most important missing features:

#1. I'm going to repeat myself, but please add a way to change the default turn&river solving accuracy. To me, that's the only thing missing that makes GTO+ sometimes annoying to use.

#2. Could you add a flop filter for the second and third card of the flop?
The exact same as "Top card" in this image but for the other 2 cards of the flop:

Being able to quickly find all the Ace + 2 low cards flop in a database, for example, would be amazing.

#3. In play against the solution, could you add a way to see what the solution was even when we pick a correct option? (Like what you have as "Training mode" now, but that display the solution no matter if you picked a right or wrong option). Or add a small display of you last action with all the frequencies, like what Lucid GTO does:

Other than that, GTO+ is pretty much perfect, so congratz!
And thanks for the amazing customer service! <3
Ok, I will consider it for future releases.
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02-06-2021 , 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by stumbras
Will GTO+ run on Windows 10 Pro for Workstations - want to run on 4 socket(4CPU's 64 cores)server? Dell Poweredge R815 Opteron 6380 2.5ghz 64-Cores 512gb
GTO+ is software for Windows, so I would reasonably expect it to run on any system with that platform. That being said, you can use the trial version to see if the software runs for you.
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02-06-2021 , 06:32 AM
How can I remove a flop from the database when I used the "Add Current Tree" method?
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