Ok, you have officially terrified me. Especially considering the 2nd season will not be a continuation of the first.

Ya, what a bitch. Hurting the guy that intentionally lied and hurt her over and over again.

Yeah, Marty's a jerk and she's a bitch, agreed.

it wasn't for what she did to marty it was how she used rust.

also for the life of me i just cannot understand how people didn't like this episode.

was absolutely fantastic.

I didn't like this episode so much because I wanted the plot to advance the mystical theme more. The "what happened in 2002?" was answered with the most obvious - I was looking for more of a twist.

this show isn't about "twists".

there were so many just phenomenal scenes and lines in this episode.

i would suggest LOST if you're looking for twists.

also after the GOATness that has been this show so far you'd think that its prolly not just a random throw away episode and its actually kindv important to the overall arc of the story.

the only thing i didn't like was that rust had sex with marty's wife.

i felt like it detracted from his character a little bit.

also, to me the plot of this show seems almost inconsequential.
i could care less who the killer is or any of that stuff.
its the writing, directing and mostly the acting that has made this show so GOAT.
i mean holy **** MM is giving the performance of a lifetime and he's bringing it every scene ever episode.

there were so many amazing lines this episode.

Saying the plot is inconsequential is being pretty lol. The plot has been awesome, really love the three-part style and transitions between them. And Rust/Marty purely as characters are both very interesting

I guess people keep saying they don't care about the plot because Pizzolatto in an interview one time said he wasn't that concerned with the serial killer and now Sepinwall mentions it almost every week. But imo it's a pretty silly opinion for such a great show

Anyway, she clearly ****ed Rust to

a) end her marriage once and for all, knowing Marty would not pursue her further
b) to end the partnership between rust/marty also? she just wanted marty to feel some portion of what she had felt for those years

If Rust were sober he prob woulda seen what was happening sooner rather than stopping right in the middle of dat ass

Guess about next episode

Finally the nits have arrived.was wondering when y'all would show up. Now just leave I don't want to get arrested just GET before u do something to you..u got a evil little mind....
And I don't like your face... It makes me want to do things to it....
I c u again and I'm putting u down....

those things you're describing are not the plot.
the plot is there are girls going missing and potentially unsolved murders.
thats not quite groundbreaking.

the genius is the execution and writing and directing and acting.

the facts of the case are not whats making this show so great.

no one is on pins and needles every week trying to find out who the killer is etc.

its mind boggling to me that people are missing my point.

its not like band of brothers was so great because "godamn whats gonna happen?"
you could have read the book 1st n known exactly who was going to die/live and how each battle was going to go down and it would still be one of the GOAT shows.

there are some movies/shows that are totally plot driven, there are others where the plot is almost inconsequential as long as its not ******ed.

i dont think the show was ever presented as a whodunnit or puzzle to solve. people here tend to over-analyse things so it was no surprise that everyone has been trying to pore over every detail, and that can be a fun thing to do. but the specifics of the plot have never been super important.

Saw this online, pretty funny

exactly.

please try to tell me that this show would've been ANYWHERE near as good without the acting and writing.
the plot has almost zero do to with whats making this show so amazing.

Didn't know plots needed to be groundbreaking to be consequential

The genius of the show is the execution of great characters and a great plot. The story is very interesting. The clues/time lapses/references are as much a part of the plot as part of the writing.

If you don't care who the killer is or don't find it consequential by this point, I think that's pretty odd. The job of the characters/writing should have you there at the very least, if not for just a great, you know, plot

i didn't like that either, but it's more that i wanted his character to remain a certain way rather than thinking it was a bad scene/decision/hurts the show.

you could tell that he was thinking of pulling back/pushing her away during those first few moments. it was intense. you could basically see his mind battling itself trying to decide what to do. when he grabs her head in his hands and fully reciprocates it's clear which side of him won, and that struggle and the IMMEDIATE confession that he was used really ****ing pissed him off, not just at her but at himself for making a mistake/misjudging the situation.

big +1. MM is ****ing killing it. "nice hook Marty."

he was holed up in his apartment on a bender, of course he's gonna **** her

that's not really out of character for rust at all

the plot is basically: cops trying to solve a case while at the same time battling personal issues.

that has NOTHING to do with what makes this show so good.
you could write out this exact plot and put it on CBS and it would be the worst show ever.

its the characterization, acting, directing and writing of the dialogue that is making this GOAT.

as to the bolded: i guess we are just arguing semantics. i don't feel like those are part of the plot.
they are the way the story is told. not the story itself.

they are taking a very basic story/plot and presenting it in a way that is phenomenal and adding to that some of the best acting/writing we've ever seen.

thats not a function of the plot.

Also to continue unpopular opinions

- Woody is doing as good if not better job than MM. Woody is gonna end up the unheralded star of this whole thing because he's in the less sexy and attention seeking role

- Pizzolatto writes great dialogue, especially between the two stars, but every other character on the show is two dimensional at best. Anytime one character in particular gets a lot of screen time (Maggie this week) the result just isn't as effective. This could be a function of being an 8 week miniseries and making a specific decision to not invest in more than two characters, but I think the characterization outside the two stars is pretty meh

what's up with the devil dolls in Queen anals room? she definitely knows more than she saying, and I doubt straightened out as much as she said.

i would disagree strongly with this assessment.

yes she caught him at his lowest moment, but from what we've seen of MM's character i would've bet a lot of $$ he wouldn't **** his partners wife.

pounding maggie was out of character for who rust wants to be, but deep down he is human, just like everyone else

i think just about everyone else shares your opinion about WH

No doubt the show is far better because it's on HBO. That's true of basically every show, though.

Agree with these for sure. I kinda dreaded the Maggie interviews compared to the other two. It's because (as you mentioned) WH and MM are both completely killing it.

most shows that reach a certain level tend to be overrated to an extent and people will watch with blinders on. couple that with the cult mentality of forums/reddit and you get that cringe worthy feeling sometimes.

all that said, this is a ****ing amazing show and i can't remember any other show that i've held in nearly as high a regard after only a couple hours of viewing.

it makes me sad to know that we only have 2 more eps to go, but this is definitely a show that will benefit from rewatching.