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02-24-2014 , 01:19 PM

#1526

Namath12

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I absolutely love this show. I feel like I need to watch it again all the way through because, based on this thread, there's no doubt I have been missing a ton of details that would likely enhance my enjoyment. I just figured out last night that MM's character is named RusT, not Russ. ffs

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02-24-2014 , 01:20 PM

#1527

SEABEAST

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Originally Posted by ShowUthExit

I like how later in the episode he was presented with a similar temptation and didn't even hesitate. It's pretty clear he would have done exactly what they did if he was in their shoes.

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Originally Posted by domer2

the transition from rust declaring himself the sanest person in louisiana to him holed up in his apartment watching shadows dance off of deer antlers is the ****ing nuts

yeah, one of the biggest themes in the show is definitely hypocrisy. rust rants about religious hypocrisy and is desperate to believe he has higher moral standards than everyone around him (while struggling with drinking, perpetually unable to hold down a r/s, can't avoid pulling the trigger on maggie), marty rants about family, gets violently angry at the thought of people mistreating young girls (while destroying his marriage via mistreating young girls).

i don't think it matters that marty gave them a "choice". he wanted to beat them, it wasn't accidental that they put him beating them in the same ep he bangs a teen.

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02-24-2014 , 01:20 PM

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I think it's pretty clear he didn't want to do it the entire scene, but was just seduced beyond what he could resist. Sleeping with her was weakness, and the moment after he finished that realization hit him.

Weird how that's always the point after which these epitomes seem to hit

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02-24-2014 , 01:22 PM

#1529

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Originally Posted by nutshot2

Great form tackle by Marty too

The officials missed an obvious 15 yarder for spearing but in context it was a good non call imo

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02-24-2014 , 01:24 PM

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marty channeling terry tate on that one

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02-24-2014 , 01:27 PM

#1531

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Originally Posted by r4diohe4d

Regarding plot, my problem is that within 10 seconds of Marty stepping out of the kitchen for the manufactured phone call at dinner, the thought is 'well Rust and Maggie are definitely going to ****." Show develops, it becomes clear that there will be a falling out 7 years later and the thought is 'well they'll be ****ing in 2002 then.' Then 5 episodes after the first dinner it all goes down so neat and tidy and that one act is the driving force of the episode in a short season. Could probably come up with 5-10 other examples just like that in the past 2-3 weeks that accounted for the majority of plot advancement. Not to say there aren't small and nice touches like Marty telling the young girl to do something else then years later we meet her again and learn that she has and becomes the coffin nail for Marty's marriage. Why can't some of the bigger points be elegant like that and come out of nowhere?

The acting and dialog, (esp. philosophical) is GOAT and I guess a show can't be best at everything but it feels like they clearly missed out on an opportunity to take things to the next level by developing the story with more suspense. It's a richly created universe with all sorts of possibilities to level the viewer, and it just hasn't been done. Instead the first instinct is dead-on accurate hours in advance, with all of these breadcrumbs along the way to hint that it's going to actually happen, then it happens so simply and it's a let down.

When everything was coming to a head with Fring, there were a lot of people who thought that Walt was actually going to get killed and the show would go on. But for the people that didn't, how could they see Fring walking away from the car coming? It was flooring to watch. Then Hector winking at Hank as the elevator closes? TD is fundamentally better in several important ways, but the plot is too hollow. It can be argued that's not the point of the show ad nauseum, and maybe it isn't, but the worst part is that it didn't need to be. All of the characters and plot devices are all sitting there, but the writing cheaped out on plot to spoon feed everything and it's disappointing.

It's the best show since Breaking Bad, but unless something drastically changes it'll never be better and it could've been with the unique advantages the show has going for it.

This is a decent post, but I think it's kind of unfair to compare plot development in TD (a mini series) with BB (an actual series with multiple seasons and many more eps with which to develop characters and plot). The speed and occasional obviousness used by the writer(s) of TD are imo somewhat necessary given the time restraints involved. It's either do it the way they are doing it, or keep us in the dark the whole way and then cram everything into a two-to-three hour long series finale reveal. This way is better imo.

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02-24-2014 , 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashington

Weird how that's always the point after which these epitomes seem to hit

epiphanies is probably better here.

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02-24-2014 , 01:53 PM

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That's 5 seasons vs 7hrs for u. I'd tie bb td and tw got 3 goat. Why nit over which are better when there all goat imo. Lost,Dexter, gtfo with that give me the top 3 or shamless for 4th

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02-24-2014 , 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SEABEAST

pounding maggie was out of character for who rust wants to be, but deep down he is human, just like everyone else

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02-24-2014 , 02:28 PM

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Agree with these for sure. I kinda dreaded the Maggie interviews compared to the other two. It's because (as you mentioned) WH and MM are both completely killing it.

I found it interesting we KNOW maggie basically lied her way through that interview

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02-24-2014 , 02:39 PM

#1536

Dominic

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"What did Marty say to the kids before he beat them up? "You play a man's game, you're gonna pay a man's price."

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02-24-2014 , 02:48 PM

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"What did Marty say to the kids before he beat them up? "You play a man's game, you're gonna pay a man's price."

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02-24-2014 , 03:02 PM

#1538

Dominic

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Originally Posted by coolnout

yeah....awesome line.

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02-24-2014 , 03:03 PM

#1539

Dominic

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great article on why Marty might be the Yellow King.

The above poster is segmented so that Marty's yellow hair - his crown - is cut off.

...Interesting....

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02-24-2014 , 03:08 PM

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marty being the yellow king would be awful

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02-24-2014 , 03:10 PM

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Seth Gecko

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lol @ people conspiring about a major twist or the show turning supernatural. You obviously don't get what the whole show is about

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02-24-2014 , 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominic

great article on why Marty might be the Yellow King.

The above poster is segmented so that Marty's yellow hair - his crown - is cut off.

...Interesting....

No.

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02-24-2014 , 03:14 PM

#1543

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just in this last episode, we were shown marty throwing up after beating the two teenagers. why would a rapist and murderer throw up after beating up a couple of kids?

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02-24-2014 , 03:14 PM

#1544

21times20

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true detective is already better than the wire and makes the sopranos look like something CBS would air.

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02-24-2014 , 03:17 PM

#1545

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Originally Posted by Steroid Boy

marty being the yellow king would be awful

Why?

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02-24-2014 , 03:18 PM

#1546

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Originally Posted by Dominic

The above poster is segmented so that Marty's yellow hair - his crown - is cut off.

...Interesting....

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02-24-2014 , 03:19 PM

#1547

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Originally Posted by domer2

just in this last episode, we were shown marty throwing up after beating the two teenagers. why would a rapist and murderer throw up after beating up a couple of kids?

lol...I'm not saying he is - I certainly don't believe that's the way the show is going - I just find the poster and the interpretation of it interesting.

But as much as some of you apparently think Marty being the Yellow King would be awful, you can't disagree that the show has certainly set up the possibility.

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02-24-2014 , 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kioshk

Marty's wife confirmed cold evil bitch. She didn't have to **** Rust to kick Marty out; that was just plain mean.

I thought the same thing. It seemed out of character for her given how well she had treated Rust throughout the show up to that point. He didn't deserve that.