Didnt listen to Sophie's podcast yet. Both of them did not appear to be very likeable people. It only was on their radar when ozzy mentioned it to Sophie at final tribal and to Albert during jury questioning at tribal. Sophie and Albert dont get to execute anything without coach, and really foolish to bring a returning player such as coach to the end. Coach doesnt have to give a good speech, he just has to admit he lied that season.

How many winners have cried on survivor (not counting reunion)? sophie , boston rob ..

How are the contracts worth multiple millions to the non-winners?

Im not sure if you are counting this as a negative against her?

The rest of your comments are correct, only in the fact that they don't get to do any of what they did without Coach because Coach was their pawn. They were able to use him as the face while running things behind the scenes.

And listen to D&C's Sophiecast, it was excellent.

sure, I like D/C style for guests otherwise.. this winners analysis is 3 hours!

Sophies tears made her seem more likeable to the jury, especially after the 2nd set of tears. Coach also made moves to convince people to join his alliance. He may not have stat but he sure had the charm. If coach is booted then they are like 2 cochrans, intelligence but lack all the necessary supplements to that.

I'm guessing there are multimillion dollar damages specified for breaking the contract.

You and I obviously view this season differently. I am quite confident that if Coach has to go for whatever reason, Sophie makes a different plan and still ends up on top. But the simple fact is, Coach didn't have to go. She knew he was loyal AND that she could beat him in FTC. A very valuable puppet to have.

I mean there's been multiple interviews stating the jury were up in the air and it was coach's FTC performance that swayed it. Can we stop with the notion that she knew she'd wafflecrush him? She played well and won her season, it wasn't a fluke, and she had a good chance to beat anyone other than Ozzy the way it played out. Why isn't that enough?

I thought he might be referring to that. But calling a contract that pays someone a few thousand a "multi-million dollar contract," just because it has a likely unenforceable liquidated damages clause, is a bit misleading.

Huh. Guess I did miss that season. Story about the puppy?

He's hot a puppy who was barking too loud when he was drunk. This was after the show.

Holy ****

Has ESPN's Gary Wise been back since 2+2 crashed?

Heidik was in porn btw Dom.

Unfortunately, I mostly think these lists are ridiculous. I prefer the grouping by 'types' method. But I'm not much of a list maker which is sometimes a point of irritation with my husband when it's time to go shopping.

The thing about Todd is that he seems so non-threatening that I think he has an edge over people like Boston Rob, Yul, Tom Westman, and so forth who are or should be clear targets. He's capable of working with different types of people. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing.

She didn't have sway over Coach's minions. But she had sway over Coach.

It was a big shocker that Coach tripped on his **** on the way to the milly.

No prior evidence available suggesting that Coach was a giant douche bag prone to engaging in massive douche baggery and that this particular character flaw might harm him at a FTC.

His wife had a baby a few days ago. I think he's busy.

With all this talk about rankings and the fact we're in the offseason, I think it's time for the new survivor draft. Idk if it's better to just basically do the exact same setup as last time, or if theres a way to alter it somewhat to make it different/better, but it's something I want to do.

I'll even set up the spreadsheet and do all that.

Thoughts?
Interest?

this. plus a little thing called the WSOP is starting in like 5 days.

Kinda new around here. What is a Survivor draft?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15...hread-1041288/

First time poster but have been following this thread since discovering it from the Dom and Colin Podcast.

I really appreciate the effort Dom, Colin and Kos put into recording the latest podcast, although there were many points I don't agree about.

My biggest beef was with the analysis of Sandra's game. I understand that everyone has their own opinions but I felt Dom, Colin and Kos' hatred of Sandra's game clouded their analysis and it was very one sided and biased and I don't think that's fair.

I'm interested to know how far down Sandra is on Dom and Colin's list of greatest survivor players. We know what Kos ranks her from the podcast (pretty insulting!), and I'll state some reasons why I think she's much higher than that:

- Her social game allows her to integrate into the majority alliance at the start of the game, and avoid being one of the typical first 4 boots for being weak.
She is most vulnerable for the 1st 3 days or if the tribe starts with a long immunity losing streak (but so is Cirie and Tina because of their demographics)
- Her straight shooting honesty is respected by players and jury and is never held against her. Secondly this honesty allows her to be taken to the end by a player who misreads the jury like Russell.
- Her jury management is top notch
-As long as it aint me is not as simple as Dom and Colin assesses it. I take it to being playing the game day by day and constantly assessing her own position in the game and how to get to the end and being in a position to win. If her position doesn't allow her to win, she will attempt to make moves to further herself in the game.

Examples of moves Sandra has made to further her own game:
1. After Rupert was voted off, she took Tijuana into the bushes to spy on Fairplay and Burton and the target became Burton. She voted out Tijuana because Tijuana became too power hungry. Anyway Christa was supposed to go that round.
2. Sandra organised the flip on Burton and Fairplay and turned the lie back on them.
3. The coach boot
4. HvV F9 attempted flip. It made sense. Candice got scared.
These are just several examples of decent plays

You can't tell me that every person on Kos' list before Sandra would be able to make all these moves, let alone have the qualities described above.

Sandra is one of the most flexible players in Survivor and has been able to manouver around the disasters that have affected her game and still make it to the end and win.
She has yet to play her optimal strategy (having her alliance intact) but I am confident she would have made moves at the right time (like Cesternino).

I believe I have explained why Sandra is at least a decent player and not the pathetic player that Dom, Colin and Kos analysed in their podcast.

Interested to read about what you think?

I agree with you fwiw Aaron. Those guys do disagree with me, but I think Sandra played a wonderful game both times she was out there and was more in control than the edit showed. I think her strategy of "anyone but me" is stronger than people consider, and plays out a lot like how some of the teams on the amazing race run. I rank Sandra in the top 5 all time. You don't win the game twice by accident, her social game is off the charts, and she is able to seem like no threat. Its a devastating combo, and what makes me think her equity is high in a random season.

This would be sweet