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this feels dishonest at best
christianity was thriving long before that dark age began, what little kept going on well in europe was mostly centered around big cathedreal construction and monasterary scribes
you could even argue that our rebound had more to with the far more theocratic arabic aid as many of the classic greek works were lost and only recovered because they still existed in arabic
i've read extensively about the collapse of europe, a tl:dr summary could best be described as "a massive influx of nomadic and semi nomadic people migrated in (this is us the germanic & waspy europeans of today) - they took things over and fragmented down to smaller nominally independent states that were fairly disconnected from the other states - this also meant that raiding/piracy/vikings etc were then able to raid everywhere - it was to a point where vast swathes of coastal europe, places that thrived a few centuries earlier became wholly depopulated because it was simply too risky to live there due to presence of passing ships
even the places where things were held together in decent order such as greece and turkey, their frontiers were now wholly depopulated as well from raiding and it was constant plague wiping everyone out - section by section of the balkans became abandoned by greeks because it was too dangerous to live out there and they got replaced by the incoming slavs
so raiding/piracy/vikings made pretty much 90%+ of anywhere in europe basically unsafe to live in, the few places that did continue on were extremely small polities which were fairly isolated and whenever they began to start finally thriving again with big populations that pesky bubonic plague would show up, there's a 100 year period of byzantine history where constantinople was hit by 61 different plagues - most cities which continued to exist where a small fraction of themselves, constantinople was 90% unoccupied homes for most of it's history, rome was so depopulated that the colliseum was part of a pasture for sheeps and later a dumping ground for refuse
everything sucked, it was all terrible, barely holding onto life, nobody has the time/resources or institutional foundations to start inventing more powerful microscopes and start looking at things more closely
but most of all - none of it mattered - that huge jump is much less due to european innovations but rather the re-established stablity of the economy, which re-integrated europe from a bigger version of north korea into the global economy once again - this brought ideas and invention from asia, india, & the middle east a la all those greek works that previously only existed in arabic
europe is just a little peninusula on eurasia, whatever dark periods they had wouldn't muddle up human progress on a whole nor was christianity the driving force behind it
that chart should really say "terrible time of piracy and plague" followed by "saviors from mongolia linked us up with the rest of the world"
christianity was thriving long before that dark age began, what little kept going on well in europe was mostly centered around big cathedreal construction and monasterary scribes
you could even argue that our rebound had more to with the far more theocratic arabic aid as many of the classic greek works were lost and only recovered because they still existed in arabic
i've read extensively about the collapse of europe, a tl:dr summary could best be described as "a massive influx of nomadic and semi nomadic people migrated in (this is us the germanic & waspy europeans of today) - they took things over and fragmented down to smaller nominally independent states that were fairly disconnected from the other states - this also meant that raiding/piracy/vikings etc were then able to raid everywhere - it was to a point where vast swathes of coastal europe, places that thrived a few centuries earlier became wholly depopulated because it was simply too risky to live there due to presence of passing ships
even the places where things were held together in decent order such as greece and turkey, their frontiers were now wholly depopulated as well from raiding and it was constant plague wiping everyone out - section by section of the balkans became abandoned by greeks because it was too dangerous to live out there and they got replaced by the incoming slavs
so raiding/piracy/vikings made pretty much 90%+ of anywhere in europe basically unsafe to live in, the few places that did continue on were extremely small polities which were fairly isolated and whenever they began to start finally thriving again with big populations that pesky bubonic plague would show up, there's a 100 year period of byzantine history where constantinople was hit by 61 different plagues - most cities which continued to exist where a small fraction of themselves, constantinople was 90% unoccupied homes for most of it's history, rome was so depopulated that the colliseum was part of a pasture for sheeps and later a dumping ground for refuse
everything sucked, it was all terrible, barely holding onto life, nobody has the time/resources or institutional foundations to start inventing more powerful microscopes and start looking at things more closely
but most of all - none of it mattered - that huge jump is much less due to european innovations but rather the re-established stablity of the economy, which re-integrated europe from a bigger version of north korea into the global economy once again - this brought ideas and invention from asia, india, & the middle east a la all those greek works that previously only existed in arabic
europe is just a little peninusula on eurasia, whatever dark periods they had wouldn't muddle up human progress on a whole nor was christianity the driving force behind it
that chart should really say "terrible time of piracy and plague" followed by "saviors from mongolia linked us up with the rest of the world"
06-13-2022
, 05:26 PM
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this feels dishonest at best
christianity was thriving long before that dark age began, what little kept going on well in europe was mostly centered around big cathedreal construction and monasterary scribes
you could even argue that our rebound had more to with the far more theocratic arabic aid as many of the classic greek works were lost and only recovered because they still existed in arabic
i've read extensively about the collapse of europe, a tl:dr summary could best be described as "a massive influx of nomadic and semi nomadic people migrated in (this is us the germanic & waspy europeans of today) - they took things over and fragmented down to smaller nominally independent states that were fairly disconnected from the other states - this also meant that raiding/piracy/vikings etc were then able to raid everywhere - it was to a point where vast swathes of coastal europe, places that thrived a few centuries earlier became wholly depopulated because it was simply too risky to live there due to presence of passing ships
even the places where things were held together in decent order such as greece and turkey, their frontiers were now wholly depopulated as well from raiding and it was constant plague wiping everyone out - section by section of the balkans became abandoned by greeks because it was too dangerous to live out there and they got replaced by the incoming slavs
so raiding/piracy/vikings made pretty much 90%+ of anywhere in europe basically unsafe to live in, the few places that did continue on were extremely small polities which were fairly isolated and whenever they began to start finally thriving again with big populations that pesky bubonic plague would show up, there's a 100 year period of byzantine history where constantinople was hit by 61 different plagues - most cities which continued to exist where a small fraction of themselves, constantinople was 90% unoccupied homes for most of it's history, rome was so depopulated that the colliseum was part of a pasture for sheeps and later a dumping ground for refuse
everything sucked, it was all terrible, barely holding onto life, nobody has the time/resources or institutional foundations to start inventing more powerful microscopes and start looking at things more closely
but most of all - none of it mattered - that huge jump is much less due to european innovations but rather the re-established stablity of the economy, which re-integrated europe from a bigger version of north korea into the global economy once again - this brought ideas and invention from asia, india, & the middle east a la all those greek works that previously only existed in arabic
europe is just a little peninusula on eurasia, whatever dark periods they had wouldn't muddle up human progress on a whole nor was christianity the driving force behind it
that chart should really say "terrible time of piracy and plague" followed by "saviors from mongolia linked us up with the rest of the world"
christianity was thriving long before that dark age began, what little kept going on well in europe was mostly centered around big cathedreal construction and monasterary scribes
you could even argue that our rebound had more to with the far more theocratic arabic aid as many of the classic greek works were lost and only recovered because they still existed in arabic
i've read extensively about the collapse of europe, a tl:dr summary could best be described as "a massive influx of nomadic and semi nomadic people migrated in (this is us the germanic & waspy europeans of today) - they took things over and fragmented down to smaller nominally independent states that were fairly disconnected from the other states - this also meant that raiding/piracy/vikings etc were then able to raid everywhere - it was to a point where vast swathes of coastal europe, places that thrived a few centuries earlier became wholly depopulated because it was simply too risky to live there due to presence of passing ships
even the places where things were held together in decent order such as greece and turkey, their frontiers were now wholly depopulated as well from raiding and it was constant plague wiping everyone out - section by section of the balkans became abandoned by greeks because it was too dangerous to live out there and they got replaced by the incoming slavs
so raiding/piracy/vikings made pretty much 90%+ of anywhere in europe basically unsafe to live in, the few places that did continue on were extremely small polities which were fairly isolated and whenever they began to start finally thriving again with big populations that pesky bubonic plague would show up, there's a 100 year period of byzantine history where constantinople was hit by 61 different plagues - most cities which continued to exist where a small fraction of themselves, constantinople was 90% unoccupied homes for most of it's history, rome was so depopulated that the colliseum was part of a pasture for sheeps and later a dumping ground for refuse
everything sucked, it was all terrible, barely holding onto life, nobody has the time/resources or institutional foundations to start inventing more powerful microscopes and start looking at things more closely
but most of all - none of it mattered - that huge jump is much less due to european innovations but rather the re-established stablity of the economy, which re-integrated europe from a bigger version of north korea into the global economy once again - this brought ideas and invention from asia, india, & the middle east a la all those greek works that previously only existed in arabic
europe is just a little peninusula on eurasia, whatever dark periods they had wouldn't muddle up human progress on a whole nor was christianity the driving force behind it
that chart should really say "terrible time of piracy and plague" followed by "saviors from mongolia linked us up with the rest of the world"
*Seriously spent way too much money writing about this ****. Would have rather been a baseball scout or married some rich uggo.