Funny video on this subject
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgKg0Hc7YIA

I'd guess you could chalk it up to being tired from fighting off so many.

Mostly agree but think you're underrating Hound / Mountain. Mountain clearly has some cunning with his "act defeated and then strike" against Oberyn.

I'd guess that in the show he IS trying to make this pact, but it just hasn't been revealed yet. IIRC in the AFFC book it was not revealed until the very last line of the very last Dorne chapter ("Vengeance. Justice. Fire and Blood" - my only worry is that this line may get cut as it might not make sense to TV viewers since the house words "Fire and Blood" haven't been reiterated as frequently as in the books).

I'd guess that will be Bronn. Jaime still has to strangle Cersei at some point in the future.


Also I legit started giggling when Cersei sent Meryn Trant with Mace to Braavos.

Wasn't the mountain 100% dead if oberyn didn't go into speech? Doesn't seem like cunning but taking advantage of an idiotic mistake

Yes if Oberyn shouts at Gregor from four feet away, he wins.

Yes it was very clever of him to get pinned to the ground by a poisoned spear through his chest, so he could deceive Oberyn into thinking it was over.

A few parts of that I disagree with:

I think Jaime was winning vs Ned. The scene is shot like Ned is getting worn down imo.


I think that Bronn saying he would lose against the Mountain means absolutely nothing. Every swordfighter would lose against the Mountain. I also still think even Oberyn loses vs the mountain 9/10 times. We're very lucky that he won and the story can continue this way imo.

the Jamie storyline is very hateable if you are looking for book Jamie. They have certainly changed his character. but I'm surprised more people are just missing that his goal is clear and logical - he wants to win the trust of Cersei back and getting Myrcella is how he's going to do this. if he fails, I'm sure there will be consequences.

it's also a situation where you have very popular characters that they want to continue showing. in the books Bronn all but disappears and that's disappointing. Jamie doesn't disappear but his wandering role wouldn't really work on the show.

Two hands Jamie > Ned for sure. Ned was good but not elite

Here's something else I've been wondering about. In the book, Cersei was regent because Tommen was too young to rule(8or9?). In the show, he's significantly older, 14ish, so why is she still in charge? If he's old enough to ****, he's old enough to rule right?

Or is she functioning as the Hand, as there doesn't seem to be one?

I think people come of age at 16 in Westeros? So she probably has 1-2 years of being regent (in her mind).

Tommen's show character is a total comic also, ridiculous

I'm not entirely sure why he had to be aged up, but he seems fine to me. Tommen is simply a pawn - as Obara says in the books, "The two queens are squabbling over Tommen like bitches with a juicy bone." And we see that being acted out fairly well, if a bit too obviously by Margery and Cersei.

Tommen had to be aged to work in sex. HBO loves sex. That and they wanted to show Margery using a woman's power and TV viewers can only conceive of that as sexual.

it's just weird they are having a 14? year old have a **** party

Why? Oberyn wasn't really ever in danger of losing until he went into his speech.

In the book he is staying as far away as possible because he's aware if Gregor so much as touches him he's going to die. In the show he is dancing around within punching distance of Gregor, and even that would probably result in his death.

He is one mistake from death the entire fight. I can't remember exactly what happened in the show tbh, but in the book Oberyn gets so overwhelmed at one point that he drops his spear and just starts running from Gregor. Oberyn ends up winning using the ultimate fantasy genre cheese: using the sun to expose Gregor's "weak" belly, when there's not even a guarantee that Oberyn could pierce Gregor's armor with his spear which is kind of a big deal. (It's probably impossible tbh, but made for a great scene so whatever)

This show got so bad, so fast.

to be expected after book 3

i still think both the books and the show will be insane once the endgame starts

Books for sure, hard to tell with the show.

yeah thinking about it, the show will be sorely missing all the dreams and prophecies that will lead up to big events. Eh we'll see.

I wish the show would literally get canceled tomorrow and they would just release the remaining eps from this season and call it a day

waiting 6-7years/lifetime after winds of winter tho

Unsullied are not amazingly badass individual fighters. They are unstoppable as a unit. What makes them amazing is their discipline more than their fighting skills, although they do also have those.

I'll look forward to reading ADoS in 2023, lol

This is pretty accurate, although I think the Hound and Brienne are a bit better than described and Ned a bit less. Given that Ned's fight with Jaime was from his point of view, it may not have been going as well as he thought. Barristan and Jaime are clearly top.

This is also correct. Being outnumbered by rabble is irrelevant.

And with any kind of defensive position, the Unsullied would still win. There is no way the fighting pit fighters would have the discipline to fight them.