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06-01-2009 , 10:57 PM
just watched it

i'll be the first to admit that i'm (very) easily entertained, but i don't get the hate at all.
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06-01-2009 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by kinda
what an awful end for this season. they give you an entire season worth of amazing build up and foreshadowing... just to give us this ****** of a season finale.

show was decent besides the ending. had some awesome parts. skyler deserves to be on facialabuse and flynn is a **** for wanting to be called flynn. lol @ the paypal slot machine sound effects.

walt agreeing to be on tv was stupid. just say like "i appreciate what you're doing for me, son, but I was brought up to not accept charity. you earn money, you don't have it given to you." or something. bleh, i could've written this finale better.
no
06-01-2009 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by CheckRaise
no
BING BLANG BLAOW
BALD WALT IN THE HOUSE
I JUST TOOK 500 GRAND FROM YOU
U COULD HAVE USED IT TO BUY SOME FOOD
BUT YOU CANT NOW
CUZ IMMA CASH IT OUT
AND RUB IT ON MY CANC3R

Last edited by kinda; 06-01-2009 at 11:15 PM. Reason: yes
06-02-2009 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by STA654
Skylar going into labour at the exact worst moment possible for Walt = realistic?

WTF are the odds of that?

Good show though.
A coincidence can be realistic. If a show didn't have convenient coincidences we'd all have more fun staring out our window. Walt would keep being a teacher, clip 10 times as many coupons, die, FIN. Two planes crashing is far more than coincidence; it's slamming a point home with a sledgehammer by means of a virtually impossible event triggered by a series of coincidences. I don't mind it much, but there's a gripe there in a show that usually had none.
06-02-2009 , 05:04 AM
I thought the most unrealistic thing was the whole 42 lb deal. It is a little unrealistic leading up to the point where some tough looking street thug looking guy you don't know tells you, "be at the Truck Stop with 42lbs in one hour or forget the whole thing". That was a little too obvious as a potential rip off, at that point Walt is very very lucky he didn't end up in real trouble. Maybe I missed it but none of the actual deal was shown and he ends up with over a million in cash

But, with all of Walt and Jesses bumblings, it only makes sense that the real message is in the finale, that kharma will come home to you no matter how lucky you are. So, an aircraft collision over your house makes sense then. At least that makes as much sense as making a deal with 42lbs, your entire stash, with people you don't really know, in a rush, and you're not even sure what is going on . . . Why not take your time and start with 2 lbs or even 10 lbs, and make sure you know what is going on. Also, where is Flynn in this, is he moving in with Mom or staying with Dad, and did I miss that also?

[I still want El Pollo Loco and I have Coupons now!]

!http://www.elpolloloco.com/


Last edited by SOBERMARK; 06-02-2009 at 05:14 AM.
06-02-2009 , 05:09 AM
I ate at El Pollo Loco at Foxwoods Friday just because it reminded me of Breaking Bad.

That website is hilarious.
06-02-2009 , 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by SOBERMARK
I thought the most unrealistic thing was the whole 42 lb deal. It is a little unrealistic leading up to the point where some tough looking street thug looking guy you don't know tells you, "be at the Truck Stop with 42lbs in one hour or forget the whole thing". That was a little too obvious as a potential rip off, at that point Walt is very very lucky he didn't end up in real trouble. Maybe I missed it but none of the actual deal was shown and he ends up with over a million in cash

But, with all of Walt and Jesses bumblings, it only makes sense that the real message is in the finale, that kharma will come home to you no matter how lucky you are. So, an aircraft collision over your house makes sense then. At least that makes as much sense as making a deal with 42lbs, your entire stash, with people you don't really know, in a rush, and you're not even sure what is going on . . . Why not take your time and start with 2 lbs or even 10 lbs, and make sure you know what is going on. Also, where is Flynn in this, is he moving in with Mom or staying with Dad, and did I miss that also?

[I still want El Pollo Loco and I have Coupons now!]

!http://www.elpolloloco.com/

I think Walt just dropped off the bag with the meth, came back later and there was a bag with $1.2m in it.
EDIT: No, actually now I think Walt is there for the deal and it just isn't shown.


Also, the idea of kharma is ridiculous.

Especially when professed by anyone who claims to be agnostic/atheist. (not that you are either)

Last edited by STA654; 06-02-2009 at 06:16 AM.
06-02-2009 , 06:10 AM
Who said it has anything to do with religion? It's just used as a storytelling device although I'm sure Vince leaves specific interpretation up to the viewer.
06-02-2009 , 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ashinynickel
Who said it has anything to do with religion? It's just used as a storytelling device although I'm sure Vince leaves specific interpretation up to the viewer.
Who would say karma has to do with religion?

A Hindu or Buddhist, probably.
06-02-2009 , 06:13 AM
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But, with all of Walt and Jesses bumblings, it only makes sense that the real message is in the finale, that kharma will come home to you no matter how lucky you are. So, an aircraft collision over your house makes sense then.
lol
06-02-2009 , 07:31 AM
Karma doesn't even come into it. Walt and Jesse have been actively selling hardcore drugs in their own community. Everyone that buys their product, and many people connected to them, are affected in a very negative way by what Walt has chosen to do.

I think it might of been better if the crash wasn't directly over Walt's house and the final scene was just Jane's Dad screwing up on the com followed by a large explosion, but the whole point of the scene was that doing bad stuff causes bad stuff to happen indirectly to innocent people. Plane crash in the sky over his house doesn't affect Walt all that much, but it serves as a pretty dramatic indication of how much he is negatively affecting his community to the ******s in the audience that think Walt is on some kind of hero's journey.

It could have been much more subtle, but I still think it works ok.
06-02-2009 , 07:51 AM
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It could have been much more subtle
06-02-2009 , 07:56 AM
I can give into the plane crash metaphor even though it is absolutely unbelievable and will probably go down as one of the most upsetting moments in modern TV history.

HOWEVER, the thing that is absolutely unforgivable is the black and white foreshadowing scenes that we were forced to watch all season long. The body bags, the busted up car, and the guys in biohazard suits. To use such a clear foreshadowing device on the viewer and then have it turn out to be something so completely unrelated to the story is absolutely atrocious.

It is nothing less than hitting on a hot chic all night long, finally getting her to go home with you, then lifting up her skirt only to find a pair of hairy balls dangling between her legs.
06-02-2009 , 08:23 AM
I agree, the finale was a huge anti-climax considering how much time they took for foreshadowing. However, this show is too good for me to express disdain, it was a good episode and it didn't leave any of us with a blue-balled cliff hanger.

Easily one of the best written seasons of any television programme out there today.
06-02-2009 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by mother_brain
To use such a clear foreshadowing device on the viewer and then have it turn out to be something so completely unrelated to the story is absolutely atrocious.

It is nothing less than hitting on a hot chic all night long, finally getting her to go home with you, then lifting up her skirt only to find a pair of hairy balls dangling between her legs.
More like hairy pink teddy bear balls

I was unsure about the planes when I first saw it, but now that I've given more thought I think it works.
The whole show has been a spiraling series of related events showing that every action has far reaching consequences. This is such a tightly plotted show that nothing is really out of left field (or out of thin air).
06-02-2009 , 12:24 PM
I'm along for the ride and I'm enjoying it. I'm also being extremely nit-picky about a show that I think is brilliantly done. But we're talking about a mid-air passenger jet collision over Albuquerque because an Albuquerque air traffic controller is having a nervous breakdown. And this was hinted at for an entire season.

Actions have consequences, some unforeseen. I get that. I'm not trying to talk anyone else out of liking it. So the plane crash didn't pull you out of it at all, even for a second, fine.
06-02-2009 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by AK87
Jane's dad is probably the only bad actor on the show. Daughter dies, and he seems normal? Come on. This episode sucked and the ending was just wtf?
He was just slapped in the face by his worst nightmare, one that he could see coming a mile away. I think numbness was the correct reaction, and deLancie played it perfectly.
Btw, he wasn't in the program. He and Walt shared a drink in a bar.
06-02-2009 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SOBERMARK
I thought the most unrealistic thing was the whole 42 lb deal. It is a little unrealistic leading up to the point where some tough looking street thug looking guy you don't know tells you, "be at the Truck Stop with 42lbs in one hour or forget the whole thing". That was a little too obvious as a potential rip off, at that point Walt is very very lucky he didn't end up in real trouble. Maybe I missed it but none of the actual deal was shown and he ends up with over a million in cash
Gus is major. His reach extends over the entire SW US.

Why in the hell would he rip off Walt when he 1) makes the best meth and 2) will continue to make the best meth?

A short-sighted move like that is completely contrary to everything that we have been told about Gus and have seen from Gus himself.
06-02-2009 , 03:37 PM
The problem with the ending that is turning most people off isn't that it was unrealistic; it's that it was a bait and switch. They teased you all season with shots that would lead any normal person to believe that something bad was going to happen at Walt's house that involved him or his family or other people we know.

If you had the plane crash without the teases it would have been fine. It's the writers thinking that they are being clever by pulling a little bait and switch on the audience. Don't try to fool your audience, it always backfires.
06-02-2009 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by NhlNut
He was just slapped in the face by his worst nightmare, one that he could see coming a mile away. I think numbness was the correct reaction, and deLancie played it perfectly.
Btw, he wasn't in the program. He and Walt shared a drink in a bar.
Yea, I totally thought Jane's dad played his part perfectly.
06-02-2009 , 03:45 PM
so many times i come on here to have my enjoyment of a show/movie destroyed.

because the crash shouldnt have much to do with future episodes i can just enjoy it for the shock value that was intended. skinny pete or wendy getting shot or being in a car crash could have created that sense too but they wanted the consequences of walter's actions being close to home with him cleaning them up.

im definitely looking forward to gus's character being more involved
06-02-2009 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by esad
The problem with the ending that is turning most people off isn't that it was unrealistic; it's that it was a bait and switch. They teased you all season with shots that would lead any normal person to believe that something bad was going to happen at Walt's house that involved him or his family or other people we know.

If you had the plane crash without the teases it would have been fine. It's the writers thinking that they are being clever by pulling a little bait and switch on the audience. Don't try to fool your audience, it always backfires.
Well said.
06-02-2009 , 05:41 PM
My hopes for season 3, represented via MSpaint:

06-02-2009 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SOBERMARK
I thought the most unrealistic thing was the whole 42 lb deal. It is a little unrealistic leading up to the point where some tough looking street thug looking guy you don't know tells you, "be at the Truck Stop with 42lbs in one hour or forget the whole thing". That was a little too obvious as a potential rip off, at that point Walt is very very lucky he didn't end up in real trouble. Maybe I missed it but none of the actual deal was shown and he ends up with over a million in cash
tough street thug looking guys accosting random middle aged men in fast food restaurants with cryptic messages in the hopes that the middle age guy had just set up a million dollar drug deal with the owner of the restaurant so the thug can rip them off is a pretty big problem these days afaik

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06-03-2009 , 04:51 AM
From the linked article "The big ending we were going to do (back then), it involved bad things happening to Hank and his partner, but I don't want to give away much more than that, because we may go back to that well later on. It was a lot of death and destruction and personal suffering on Hank's part and Walt's part."

I think it's safe to say season 3 will have some focus on this. I also wish they would have stuck to this instead of the plane crash. As private joker touched on, I like the idea of the plane crash metaphorically but not literally.

They really started to develop Hank this season, and I enjoyed seeing him progress from a wannabe Vic Mackey into a deeper character, but then after the argument about "Flynt" (name change makes me hate walt jr even more) drinking tequila they just completely dropped focus from Hank.

Finally, as most others have said, Gus is an awesome character and I hope they develop him more in season 3.

It's also a shame the plane crash scene will steal all the focus away from the episode, when I would have been perfectly happy with it ending with Skylar leaving Walt, and a great place to pick up season 3.

Side note: I would be more forgiving if they wanted to present the butterfly effect as something like Jane's dad is upset so as he is driving he gets into a car wreck with Skylar who was upset and leaving Walt. Yea it would still be very coincidental and ridiculous, but no where near the level of 2 planes colliding because Jane's dad screws up at work.
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