I liked the wine tasting scene. showed gus almost slipping focus.

was the wine scene before or after the cartel scene?

i thought the wine scene was to officially establish that gus was gay, which semi-confirms that his partner killed in the cartel flashback scene in bb was his boyfriend which goes to explain / setup / rekindle his hatred for don eladio

It was after, and I thought the same re his sexuality.

we already knew he was gay. but sure it did make it official.

I think the point was that Gus will not allow himself the luxury of any sort of break or pleasure bc of his singular purpose of revenge. he almost let himself enjoy it at a time when he was esp protected and just got a big win.

his focus doesnt slip. Jimmy, on the other hand, is about to give into every single urge that has.

I think the sommelier scene was definitely meant to show Gus briefly happy and relaxed, and then realizing that he couldn't remain this way for long.

But I'm not sure if that realization was just that he needed to be single-minded in plotting revenge. I thought much of it was a realization that he couldn't realistically allow anyone who wasn't in the cartel world into his life...he pulls back right as he is about to be tempted into a romantic relationship with a civilian.

I thought it was a great episode, and I expect most of the remaining 4 to be post-Breaking Bad.
After Kim leaves, I think we are meant to understand that Jimmy is now mentally fully Saul from Breaking Bad. The physical logistics for how he gets there can be inferred (e.g. buying a gaudy mansion with the Sandpiper proceeds).

yeah i wasn't sure what they were going for in the sommelier scene at first. gus seemed like the guy was annoying him and he was struggling to keep up his fake, friendly act for once. but then i thought maybe the guy reminded gus of a loose end he had to tie up (pretty sure he said something about blood & iron when describing the wine; felina-blood, meth and tears? cute), which is why he dipped instead of hooking up. but he didn't do anything after that, and then they did the time jump, so that's not it. or maybe that gus bolted because he was reminded of max at the sit down by the pool, and couldn't pull the trigger and get down. partly that, probably.

but mostly i think it was just reinforcing how gus' obsession with torturing hector caused his downfall. iirc that scene followed the mike one with hector's dad making the same point about the futility of revenge, so yeah. but like i said earlier, these guys seem unable to make these characters 3-dimensional and/or tell us literally anything new about them. we already knew all of this about gus because we watched breaking bad. they keep just colouring the exact same notes about these characters, over and over, in excruciating detail. thanks

I could have inferred those logistics after the first episode of series one given I already knew he ends like SG.

That was the whole point of this show to fill in inference, they seem to have got ~80% of the way there then just gone **** it.

yep for sure. its all that. and if he gets in a relationship with anyone, esp a civilian it will be dangerous to that person and to his standing in the cartel. and it will give him a weakness.

gus is hellbent on revenge and is building an empire. anything that weakens that, even if is normal human contact, he will forego.

another thing is that this is probably the first time we have seen a humanized version of Gus. the first time he has laughed and smiled genuinely rather than the fake smile and politeness that he has always shown.

so the more I think about it, the more I like the scene. its pretty cool that they can show us something about a character that we have known for years and have seen everything about.

Agree with this.

He brings up the special bottle of wine he got and how he’s saving it for the right time - as in he wants to bone this wine dude but won’t do it until everything is all over.

It IS a bit more of the same with him, but also agree that it illustrates that in a different way. Like the rest of the series shows how brutal and cold he is to be focused on revenge, but the wine scene shows this is actually kind of a struggle with him.

I thought the memorial scene was trying to show how Kim can’t help herself. She doesn’t have to say anything, the wife is just going to freak for a bit but she’s not a threat. But Kim hops in and kind of twists the knife for no reason, and then afterwards realizes she’s just being cruel and has to get out before it’s too late.

Would have like a least a montage or something about the Jimmy —> Saul change.

I’ll say this - they’ve got me interested in seeing where they’re going with this. Like someone else said, they have basically a clean slate to do whatever.

NewsRadio predicts Better Call Saul. NewsRadio was so long ago I didn't even realize Bob was in that.

The one thing y'all are forgetting is that Mike lost his own son. Eventually Mike figured out how it went down, but for some time Mike presumably didn't know and I'm sure that was very painful. So he empathized with Nacho's dad enough to take the risk. Also Mike wanted justice/revenge real bad, so he just assumed that telling Nacho's dad that it would happen would give him some comfort. That part of the plan didn't go so well.

thinking this ep could take place within the bb timeline, exciting


hope they don't **** it up!
(waste time, fill it with pointless easter eggs, etc)

shots fired @ the pervious eps lol

Dude they recast Jeff. This new Jeff sucks.

4th last ep: gene steals some suits

So they made Jeff out to be this menacing character with possible connections. Now he's just a weakling. I guess that's why they had to recast.

guess it's on me for not being more specific, sorry


but at least we indirectly got weeden

That was uh…. Cute…..

For how quick the last episode went this one was sloooooooooooooooooow. Think I would have liked it if there weren't only three episodes left after it. How the hell do they go back to BB after moving forward for a full episode? Was way too distracted by Jerry

terrible ep

it was good but tend to agree it felt so low stakes for 4th to last ep....doesnt seem like G&G got much of a story left to tell tbh

idk I enjoyed it and they had to get gene/saul free from the cab guy who recognized him.

I do wonder if this is the story line / resolution they had in mind when they filmed S4 E1. I kinda doubt it.

also had no idea carol burnett was still alive.

forgot to mention earlier that sepinwall said the jeffy character was re-cast because the actor had a scheduling conflict (really? ok), regardless...

the fact that they specifically went with a replacement that is pathetic instead of menacing makes me think that, yeah, they changed their minds somewhere along the way