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09-07-2013 , 11:34 PM
Comic book tier is basically irrelevant when it comes to comic book movies (more people watch infomercials than read Superman Unchained). Otherwise there wouldn't be multiple attempts to revive the Superman and Hulk movie franchises. Batman, Spider-Man and X-Men wouldn't have needed to be rebooted. And there wouldn't be 3 Blade movies and 2 TV series.
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09-08-2013 , 02:54 AM
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well the last of big series if it is any good also tends to do better than the previous ones. the dark knight rises, lord of the rings, pirates, hell even iron man 3 grossed 1.2b which is almost iron man 1+ 2 combined. Avengers brand is massive and is getting bigger. more and more people are seeing these movies. 3b is not really that unrealistic esp if you add in some inflation and increase in ticket prices because of 3D.
What's the name of Avengers 3, and what year is it expected out?

Again, 2 movies in history have made 2 billion dollars worldwide, Avatar (2.782 bil) and Titanic (2.185 bil). The next closest was the first Avengers, which was 1.511 bil. There is an enormous gap from 1.5 to 3 bil in movies. Anything that has a 2 billion gross was seen multiple times by the same people in the theater. It has to have massive audience connection to hit that number, and unless that movie's due out in 7 years, it's very unlikely inflation will cause that kind of bump. I would be very depressed for moviegoers if that was the case.
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09-08-2013 , 03:01 AM
The Avengers came out in May 2012
The Avengers: Age of Ultron comes out in May 2015
The Avengers: (?) comes out in (guessing) May 2018

2B is possible but not sure about 3B unless it's amazing.
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09-08-2013 , 05:49 AM
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The reason why GotG has great foreign potential is because: space opera blockbuster action movie = free money overseas. Even if it's not very good, it's pretty much guaranteed close to $200 Million overseas. Ensemble cast of alien characters lends itself very well to merchandising.
Thanks for posting what I was too lazy to!
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09-08-2013 , 02:59 PM
I meant John Carter, not Jack Reacher in my prev post. Starting with that as an example of awesome overseas sales generally misses that the film was an objectively huge flop and like GOTG was designed as the start of a new franchise for Disney. You also missed off Green Lantern.

Basically the prime argument here is who is going to see GOTG when Transformers 4, Thor 2, X Men 19, Godzilla reboot (which will do great internationally) and Spiderman 2 is there ready to gobble up those cinema trips? There is a reason this is expected to be a flop even before they finish filming the thing let alone people seeing if James "why him?" Gunn can pull off his first big budget green screen CGI intensive blockbuster.

Lol, looking over his imdb the only things he directed people could have heard of is Slither which lost money on a 15 million budget and Super which lost money on a 2.5 million budget.

People just dont have the funds to see more than 5 films in a summer at the cinema and GOTG will always fall down that list - its one saving grace that it could make back a small profit is Transformers 4 which will do HUGE money is a couple months earlier.

If GOTG does X Men First Class money and hits 350 million and they keep the budget under 200 million they should call it a success. Anyone thinking this is going to be a huge success is just plain wrong on all the evidence available. TheRempel is straight up insane thinking this is going to be a tentpole and could top Avengers for box office return.
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09-08-2013 , 06:05 PM
Looking at James Gunn's history, the only explanation I can think of of what that guy would be put in charge of any movie that costs over half a million dollars is that he gives good head. Also, possibly, no one else was willing to do it.

Which should have been a sign that maybe the movie shouldn't be made.
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09-08-2013 , 06:46 PM
The baseline budget for blockbuster movies that are risky is about $125 million. If you see the movie described above coming in at above a $150 million budget (the average budget for a first time blockbuster), that typically speaks to big problems. $200 million is reserved for tippy top proven blockbusters and budgetary disasters (domestic grosses do not often exceed $200 mil, and only 136 have crossed that number in history, 18 of those 136 in 2012 or 2013). You don't want your movie to ever cost $200 million because, unless it's guaranteed to be a huge hit, it won't profit domestically (double the domestic gross is considered breaking even), which does actually matter to the studios' bottom line.

The first Iron Man had a $140 mil budget, while the next 2 had $200 mil. Watching Revolution (Favreau directed the Pilot), you can see that those budgets were insanely bloated, and that a more economical director could have probably done more with less money.

Batman Begins had a $150 mil budget, and the other two increased accordingly.

Disney has a recent history of obscenely bloating budgets across the line, so they probably would be dumb enough to budget some of these movies at $200 million and higher.
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09-08-2013 , 09:37 PM
I'm going to assume it was greenlit based on the idea that it would be marketed as integral to the Avengers storyline.
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09-08-2013 , 11:56 PM
Maybe that is why it was greenlit but Joss Whedon has said he isnt letting it be integral to Avengers 2 and Ultron doesnt seem to be related to a wider space based story in any way. Maybe they will link up in Avengers 3 if GOTG 1 and presumably also 2 is a success.

I think the suits just decided to go through the IP they own and can built from and eventually back into the Avengers and that is how Antman and GOTG got funding and release dates.
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09-09-2013 , 02:40 AM
This is a comics related spoiler that I think will have little or no bearing on the movie but spoilers just in case:

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Ultron is the main villain in the Annihilation crossover that the Guardians of the Galaxy team spun out of in the comics, but since it's happening the wrong way around with Avengers 2 coming after GOTG, I doubt it will be the case in the MCU.
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09-09-2013 , 04:55 PM
Yes, I agree that it's basically about the suits making decisions about things they don't really understand. That's Hollywood! You'd think that they could get people who have a clue, like say Joss Whedon, to advise them.
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09-09-2013 , 05:05 PM
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I meant John Carter, not Jack Reacher in my prev post. Starting with that as an example of awesome overseas sales generally misses that the film was an objectively huge flop and like GOTG was designed as the start of a new franchise for Disney. You also missed off Green Lantern.
My point was that even if GotG is unsuccessful in North America it's going to make back most/all of it's production cost overseas. If it's a big hit then it's all pure profit.

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If GOTG does X Men First Class money and hits 350 million and they keep the budget under 200 million they should call it a success. Anyone thinking this is going to be a huge success is just plain wrong on all the evidence available. TheRempel is straight up insane thinking this is going to be a tentpole and could top Avengers for box office return.
It's obviously not going to be The Avengers. Optimistically, it might be Man of Steele, more realistically it's probably going to be Into Darkness. Worst case it's Pacific Rim (which is pretty bizarre to be considered a failure).
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09-09-2013 , 06:10 PM
"its production cost"
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09-09-2013 , 06:33 PM
Making back its production cost equals a loss perhaps as high as 100 million dollars given the promo budget they are gonna have to throw at it, fwiw.
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09-10-2013 , 03:36 AM
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Luke Cage has been around since the 70's. He's headlined his own comic a couple times. Been a member of the Fantastic Four and Avengers. Nicolas Cage took his stage name from the character. He's a B-lister but a pretty solid B-lister. Black Panther is the only bigger black super-hero. (DC's Black Lighting is really the only other contender).
Storm?
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09-10-2013 , 03:42 AM
He was talking physical size.

Also, Blade.
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09-13-2013 , 04:38 PM
How I feel about this show:

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09-18-2013 , 12:02 AM
One week to go!
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09-23-2013 , 08:42 PM
One day away!
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09-23-2013 , 09:32 PM
You seem super excited hopefully it lives up to your expectations.
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09-23-2013 , 09:47 PM
early reviews are good
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09-23-2013 , 10:36 PM
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You seem super excited hopefully it lives up to your expectations.
That's a given. I'm much more concerned about it getting cancelled.
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09-24-2013 , 12:28 AM
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That's a given. I'm much more concerned about it getting cancelled.
I'm predicting it has the best premiere but I guess it could drop.
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09-24-2013 , 12:26 PM
I think it is very unpredictable where it ends up, but its going to get some monster ratings out of the gate. I also think they will give it a lot more slack than another show, but they probably wont need to.
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09-24-2013 , 04:18 PM
I really wanted to watch this show until I heard a commercial on the radio for it

"We aren't exactly a team, but we're capable of doing good"

Heard something like that. It should hopefully sound familiar and/or corny to those that watched the Avengers. Recycled themes, much

Might give it a shot anyway, we'll see
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