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02-23-2013 , 12:21 PM
i just want to see someone bigger play 2 guard for twolves, shump is a good defender & okay shooter pretty much but hes young n got upside n has the size twolves need for that position

john jenkins is a guy ide think fit well, hawks prob would of traded him for not much either

pek game= no shot blocking, only can score in the paint & when he cant do that hes basically a liability being on the floor.... hence why ide rather have mosgov for 5mill & go after other pieces

p.s with every game i see of dwill hes proving to me that he has potential to play s.f but his handling need to get better n wtf@ never finishing at the rim...
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02-23-2013 , 01:02 PM
Stiemsma is better than Mozgov, what in the flying **** are you talking about?
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02-23-2013 , 01:03 PM
Seriously, where is this narrative coming from?
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02-23-2013 , 09:02 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...mozgoti01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...pekovni01.html

Mozgov would make an adequate backup. Nothing more.

PEK is top 5 in the NBA. If you look at the ORB% for last season (when had had Love playing next to him), I'm pretty sure the bolded 15.8% means he led the whole NBA in offensive rebound %. He and Love compliment each other. PEK will be a lot better next year if he returns and Love is shooting like his old self - that will draw the opposing 4s that are currently pestering PEK away from the basket.
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02-24-2013 , 12:15 PM
so you dont think having love & pek on the floor together makes us fairly bad on the defensive side?.... neither of them provides the length or athletic ability to alter shots

i mean dont get me wrong with love stretching the floor + pek getting the ball in the paint + both their rebounding ability makes the wolves a strong offensive threat but both are kind of liabilities defensively & i dont think they compliment each other that well imo due to that

if i was khan ide sign n trade pek but to each his own
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02-24-2013 , 01:04 PM
Just because PEK doesnt block a lot of shots doesnt mean he isn't a very good defensive player. He is. Ask any C in the NBA how they like matching up vs him. They hate it. Ask Tony Parker about PEKs defense. Or Carmello. The dude is not only strong, he's very quick for his size and has serious WIM.

AK47 is the perfect compliment to Love & PEK because he is a weak side shot blocker/help dense specialist.

Sign & trade you lose because not only is the team receiving PEK is going to be shelling out huge $$. They're not going to give up anything approaching his value in return to us. Stuff like this is a good way to build a bad team.
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02-24-2013 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by minnesotasam
Yeah, I love you guys and the Wolves will always be my favorite team, but if we pull some **** like that I'm going to become more of an NBA fan than a Wolves fan for sure.
Yea been feeling similarly lately with this recent PEK talk
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02-24-2013 , 06:42 PM
Keep Ricky. Keep Pek. Keep DWill!

Trade Love for a young monster all-star 2/3. And a #1 draft pick. And a few backups.

EZ game.
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02-25-2013 , 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ajmargarine
Keep Ricky. Keep Pek. Keep DWill!

Trade Love for a young monster all-star 2/3. And a #1 draft pick. And a few backups.

EZ game.
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02-25-2013 , 10:31 AM
Yeah if I had season tickets and the team passed on matching Pek at $11-$12 milly per year I would probably not renew.
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02-25-2013 , 01:50 PM
cha, what was the reason ticket prices were increased so much?
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02-25-2013 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Halstad
cha, what was the reason ticket prices were increased so much?
I was paying $30 per seat per game. They had recently dropped quite a bit when I got them. Apparently when the team was good & KG was here, those seats topped out at $85.

Last season, after the lockout, they offered me a deal if they could keep the money they owed me from missed games as a down payment for this year, my prices would remain the same - they called it the "loyalty program". I guess my seat prices for new people or people who didn't take the "loyalty program" deal were $45 this year.

The regular prices were increased for all seats in my price category for next season to $59.

They mentioned things like the prices in other cities and monitoring the "after market" prices on sites like Stub Hub to determine the seat prices for next season. I'm sure they took into account the new players this season and did not foresee all the injury issues, so I think the renewal rate is ~50% so far, even with the (lame) 10% refund when they don't make the playoffs. If that refund was 25% I'd have a much more difficult decision, because then the prices would be ~$45, and I would expect that price to be in line with how much the team has improved.

They're overpriced now and I am expecting season ticket sales to decrease a lot for next year, especially if they let PEK go.
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02-25-2013 , 02:57 PM
Looking at after-market prices for this year now is totally disingenuous. Of course they were higher at the beginning of the year when it looked like the Wolves would be competitive. I'm sure the average after-market prices are plummeting as we speak and will only get worse.
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02-25-2013 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by minnesotasam
Looking at after-market prices for this year now is totally disingenuous. Of course they were higher at the beginning of the year when it looked like the Wolves would be competitive. I'm sure the average after-market prices are plummeting as we speak and will only get worse.
I completely agree, but they make their decisions based on older data from last season and projections. I'm sure they made the pricing decisions a long time before they told me what the price for next season would be. They told me in January.
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02-26-2013 , 12:37 AM
Healthy Rubio is as fun to watch as anyone in sports.
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02-26-2013 , 11:07 AM
I have to say DWill2 has impressed me a lot the past few games. He has been pretty aggressive attacking the rim and actually finishing. Plus he has been solid on the boards as well. He is still only 21 I think it is far too early to give up on him.

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02-26-2013 , 11:56 AM
Woowoo! Get to see my second Wolves-Suns game tonight.

Also, pretty cool, when I got on TV at the Wolves-Suns in MSP, they used the clip of me in a commercial on FSN for idk how long (I just found out because a friend sent me a video of the commercial). Pretty awesome haha

(dammit old 2p2 account got hacked so I had to make a new one)
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02-26-2013 , 02:27 PM
I should be at the Laker game on Thursday too, gj this thread at having road game support.
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02-26-2013 , 03:43 PM
Bud is cleared for cutting in practice. Next step is full contact practice. He'll need a couple/few weeks of that before he can play.
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02-26-2013 , 03:46 PM
Excellent news.
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02-26-2013 , 03:51 PM


Look at the assistant coach staring Beasley down, lol.



Jim P
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02-26-2013 , 04:03 PM
We get to see another former Wolf tonight too (probably riding the bench all game, but he'll be smiling for no apparent reason):


lol @ PHO suiting his game more
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...johnswe01.html
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02-26-2013 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by cha59
We get to see another former Wolf tonight too (probably riding the bench all game, but he'll be smiling for no apparent reason):
My guess is getting paid $4m to sit on the bench for a season isn't a terrible gig.
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02-26-2013 , 04:13 PM
This is a great post in response to some idiots suggesting Adelman doesn't like playing/developing rookies and younger players:

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Fact check: Players to whom Rick Adelman gave [a first]/[an early] NBA opportunity.

Let’s walk through Adelman’s NBA career, looking for notable cases in which Rick Adelman gave young (or early career) players some early burn. The easiest way to do that is to glance at each roster he presided over, seeing what stands out, right? Clearly this is subject to confirmation bias either way, but tell me…. What does this list say to you?
Portland

Kevin Duckworth (whom Adelman groomed for a couple of years first).
Drazen Petrovic (Adelman gave him lots of minutes as a 25-year-old NBA rookie.)
Clifford Robinson, immediately as a rookie.
Robert Pack (900 minutes as a rookie – was Pack undrafted?)
Tracy Murray (a mid-First-rounder who didn’t earn tons of time but still made the floor)
James (Hollywood!) Robinson (Modest time for a #21 overall pick)

Golden State in two seasons.

Joe Smith (#1 overall, so he’d have played anyway. But he was Rookie of the Year under Adelman, yes?)
Donyell Marshall (he played him, for development(?), after the Gugliotta trade)
Clifford Rozier
Andrew Declerq

Sacramento

Jason Williams.
Peja Stojakovic (Adelman was playing two rookies that year, Peja and Williams.)
Tariq Abdul-Wahad
Lawrence Funderburke
Hedo Turkoglu (lots of minutes as a 21-year-old rookie)
[Gerald Wallace had trouble making the floor on those loaded Kings teams]
Darius Songaila (976 min as a rookie, 1668 in his second year)
Matt Barnes (700+ minutes in his second year; Barnes was a 2nd rounder from the Clippers)
Maurice Evans (Adelman gave him 1200 minutes in his second season, after the Wolves had limited him to 45 as a rookie)
Kevin Martin (a 26th-overall pick who made good)
Francisco Garcia (1200 minutes as a rookie)

Houston

Aaron Brooks, a 26th-overall choice whom Adelman installed as his starting PG.
Carl Landry, a rookie the same year as Brooks.
Luis Scola, another rookie that same year, though an older one.

Okay, I’m going to just stop with his first year on the Rockets payroll, because this is becoming ridiculous.

Going through, let’s see…. 17 NBA seasons, I have not yet found one in which Rick Adelman wasn’t conspicuously developing young talent, to an extent that one would have to say exceeded the NBA norm for coaches. Sometimes the time on the court wasn’t terribly high at first – Aaron Brooks played only 608 minutes that first season before earning 1998 and the starting job his second year – but in every last season I’ve glanced at, Adelman was finding roles for young players who went on to establish pretty decent NBA careers.

So far, too, you have seen the comprehensive list of NBA players of note whom one could say Adelman had missed the boat on. Gerald Wallace, when the Kings were loaded and Wallace was a late First Rounder who didn’t get much burn, is that list so far.

Chris Johnson, given his record in the NBA as a whole and his D-league performance, must be a pretty freakishly promising free agent signee to be overturning all that evidence.

Or maybe, just maybe, Rick Adelman’s perspective is quite different now. Maybe he’s been unwilling to play Alexey Shved, or Ricky Rubio, as rookie players. Or Wes Johnson, when he had no other choice.

Probably we’re losing perspective this late in a sad season, though.

by feral on Feb 26, 2013 8:16 AM CST up reply actions 11 recs
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02-26-2013 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SL__72
My guess is getting paid $4.2m to sit on the bench for a season isn't a terrible gig.
yeah, I was thinking that as I was writing that post, lol.
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