Pharaoh knew God was real and he knew what God wanted, both things you say can be coercion in and of themselves if you have not accepted God yet, but still choose to not accept him was my only point.

I dont, but i do know without it they didnt. Your belief is that anyone in hell would never have believed, no matter what. Correct? A little too convenient for my blood, but i obv cant prove you wrong.

Jib, id also like to comment on you saying atheists dont want to believe in god. Imo, what you're really saying is that atheists do not want to know the origin of the universe. Agree/disagree, and why?

To expand a bit... You're also claiming that somehow those back in the day (Paul, for example) were in need of more proof than anyone since then in order to believe. You're saying that none of the billions of people since then would have been convinced otherwise, even if god came down and provided more evidence for them. Also way too convenient for me, but again i can't prove you wrong. Do you find this odd at all? We're talking about BILLIONS of people that, according to you, would not benefit from a direct interaction with god, but somehow a handful of people back in the day did.

Yeah, that's a pretty beefy assumption.

What do you mean by, convinced?

Anything He were to do now would have you guys screaming conspiracy.

He has provided everything in His Word and in your heart.

provided enough evidence to believe in god (without faking it)

Every single thing in this world is evidence, but not if your mind is not open to the idea. And not if your eyes are not trained to see.

i could say every single thing in this world is evidence the christian god is mythical, but not if your mind is not open to the idea and not if your eyes are not trained to see it.

such generalizations are worthless. might as well be specific about the evidence.

And this could easily be proven false. Are you going to claim this or just say that you can claim it?

as could your statement. that's my point.

read the whole post before reacting lol.

Or you have that faithful personality to "see", but grow up in a different culture and thus, using your faith, find and stick to a different faith than Christianity; and go to Hell for essentially being unlucky enough to be born into a specific region, yet with the same personality attributes as a Christian born elsewhere.

this is meaningless to the current discussion. i'll ask you one more time and then just ignore you, please do not communicate with me.

How is it not relevant to the current discussion?

Whether I had absolute proof of God's existence or not, if I believed he existed I would be under the exact same pressure to follow him. Certainty makes very little difference in this case.

I completely agree.

Please don't change my post around then quote it like it is my post. I do not do that to you.

Did you ever plan on responding to either of my posts, Gunth?

You're missing my point. Different religions have different gods, and for you to say that "they're all the same god" is absurd. Maybe Christianity/Islam/Judaism share the same god, and why shouldn't they? After all, those three faiths originated in the same part of the world. But what about all of the gods that were worshipped before the birth of Christ? And the myriad of gods worshipped by Hindus and other polytheistic religions, etc. They're obviously NOT the same god.

The overwhelming majority of people do not change religions. I guess you were lucky to be born into the religion that just so happens to work for you. Funny how 99% of religious people were so fortunate to be born into the one religion that works for them.

Christianity and evolution are compatible without any problems? Then why did Charles Darwin keep his research from being published until after he died? The list of incongruencies between Christianity and evolution is so long, I don't even know where to begin. But you've somehow thought them through and made it work for you. How convenient.


You're right...I'm not the first one to recognize that your religion is bogus. Perhaps Darwin was. And how ironic that a blind sheep who still believes in fairy tales (The Bible) is calling me out for being unoriginal.

Eh? I didn't change anything - that's how the post looks on my screen. You're telling me you wrote something different? Weird.

I'll take that as a no. I guess I either made my point too well for you, or maybe you're buddies with Splendour and she told you to ignore me or something.

/shrug

In either case you're just ignoring the truth of the matter and being a stereotype by not responding to my arguments.

I understand your point. I just do not agree with it. Religions attempt to describe God. The same God could be the starting point but the effects of culture and human error could cause you to end up in very diverse places.


I never said my religion is the only one that could work for me. I suspect if I was born in Saudi Arabia I would be a Muslim and quite satisfied with that religion although not the fundamentalist variety. I could be a moderate Muslim but never a fundamentalist Christian for example, even though I am a Christian. This point completely fails, at least in my case.

What?? I have a copy of Origin of the Species which was published in 1859. His Descent of Man that specifically extends evolution to humans was published in 1871. He died in 1882. About the only thing in this quote that is accurate is that you do not know where to begin.

Well, since this is mostly name calling and I have never said that I believed that the Biblical stories are literally true coupled with the fact that you seem completely ignorant of the actual history associated with Darwin, I have lost all respect for you. Ramble on all you want. You completely failed in this debate.

It is quite simple. You are accountable for all your actions when you die. And if you have never heard of Jesus, how can you be held accountable for that? How can you go to hell for not believing something that you have never heard of?

Anything else you want me to respond to?

maybe man is interfering