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Wigglesworth claimed that God had healed him of appendicitis and much of his ministry was focused on faith healing. There were many miracles attributed to him, some reported in the popular press and in Pentecostal magazines such as 'Confidence' which had been founded by Boddy. Wigglesworth avoided all medical treatment, despite suffering from kidney stones in his later years. These eventually passed naturally. He refused any surgical procedure, and stated that no knife would ever touch his body either in life or death. Wigglesworth claimed to have raised several persons from the dead - including his wife Polly,[6] a man called Mitchell, and a Baptist Pastor's wife, a Mrs. Clarke. His friend and biographer Walter Hibbert adds the claim of a man raised from the dead who had been embalmed and was in a funeral parlour, and Wilson in his biography tells of a woman who, brought into a meeting in a coffin, slapped Wigglesworth's face after being raised up, stating that she had had a far better time in the hereafter. Wigglesworth claimed to have raised between three and twenty-three persons from the dead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Wigglesworth

quote: -- the Earth is not flat, nor is it just 6,000 years old.

Where is the bible verse saying the earth is flat?

Splendour,

Do you plan on following Wigglesworth's example by avoiding modern medicine?

That's unlikely.

I have a lot of respect for science and use it all the time. Every time I drive a car or go to the dentist.

But God could have been showing the world something through Wigglesworth.

One of the rules of faith is for us to become seekers.

"It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings." Proverbs 25:2


33"But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well." Matthew 6

God could have placed Wigglesworth in the world as a beacon for seekers.

Wigglesworth was like D.L. Moody. He's like most effectual Christians. He'd seek God early every morning and was a mighty prayer warrior.

Aren't most people seekers?

I don't think you realize how dangerous your idea is, and how closely related this idea is with failed political ideologies that are responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of people, and years and decades of suffering under these failed social experiments.
C'mon brother. Outlawing prayer? Outlawing prayers of faith?
Your statement shakes me to the core.
I almost want to weep for humanity because it seems like each new generation is drawn toward repeating the mistakes of the generations before them.

Do you know that God has revealed Himself to this world?
Do you know that God has spoken loud and clear to the people of earth?
I'm sure you have heard of Jesus Christ.
I'm sure all around you are evidences of this grand revealing of God.
Churches. Crosses. Gatherings. Funerals. Internet message forums. Poker internet message forums.
I suggest to you that God has been revealed all around us because as the apostle Paul said-- 'God has written the requirements of the law on the hearts of men.'
I am convinced that even if the lineage of Abraham, and the seed of David were cut off and died out, Jesus Christ still finds a way to arrive and be revealed to man through man.
The Bible says that "God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
God revealed Himself by sending His son to unveil His message of love to man.
He made it loud and clear through the miracle of the resurrection event.
Because God loves YOU.
And you are precious to Him, and He desires to have you with Him.
He is not against you.

Come on. Really? You do realise that this means less than nothing to anyone who isnt already a believer? If you dont believe theres a god, and you dont believe that this god sent his only son to die for you, then someone saying it on an internet forum isnt going to change your mind. Why can you not realise that just because you believe it is so, doesnt make it true? You can couch your words in sentences that affirm what you are saying, it doesnt make these sentences true.

Do you know that God has revealed Himself to this world?

Has he? Really? Where? ( please dont give me your old "heavens affirm" bs)
just because your statement is a declaration of a fact, doesnt make that fact true

Can you really not see this? Do you really think that this is going to help anyone understand anything? Cut the preaching, and we might start to get somewhere.

Not that i disagree his proselytizing is annoying and ultimately pointless. But he is right overall that making faith based healing illegal is wrong and dangerous.

You're right, freedom of religion wouldn't allow us to outlaw it anyways. But I didn't say we should outlaw faith healing, just that it would work better than prohibition. And that what we need to do is send a message somehow that faith healing doesn't work. Again, the idea that it does kills many people who choose to not seek medical care.

Don't get your panties in a bunch because you care more about public prayer than human life. I like how you immediately generalized what I said and objected to all prayer being made illegal. I was just thinking of public events where the reason for gathering is faith healing.

Ezekiel 7:2 - Also, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD unto the land of Israel; An end, the end is come upon the four corners of the land.

Isaiah 11:12 - And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Four corners = flat Earth.

Truthfully, I have a problem with the argument you quoted. People at the time didn't know the Earth was 4.5 billion years old or spherical, so I don't see why the bible would say that. It's not the best argument for questioning the accuracy of the bible.

The other contradictions I listed are solid.

4 corners equaling flat Earth is only one interpretation. It could have come from a mind that overly relies on vision for making that interpretation.

4 corners could mean the directions: North, South, East and West.

Do you honestly think the author of that verse thought the Earth was spherical? Arguing about this interpretation won't get us anywhere. I said I don't like that argument used by atheists because the people at the time believed the Earth was flat so anything they wrote would reflect that opinion.

How do you explain these that you decided to skip over:

Noah's Flood could not have taken place around the year 2500 BCE because there were already other civilizations in place at that time (see Egypt and China), and these were not destroyed by a flood.

-- there is no independent historical confirmation that anyone named Abraham, or Moses, or Saul, or Daniel, or even Jesus ever actually lived.

-- there is no evidence that a Hebrew tribe actually lived in Egypt as slaves for several centuries.

-- was the name of Moses's father in law Jethro (Exodus 3:1), Hobab (Judges 4:11), or Reuel (Exodus 2:18-21)?

-- Many historians believe there wasn't even a town called Nazareth until the 4th century CE.

Are you just going to deny them without any evidence to prove otherwise?

Isaiah 40 says:

"It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth"

The bible isn't behind flat earth theories.

Who invented the idea of a flat Earth?
http://christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c034.html

As for the rest of your post I doubt you've bothered to investigate it.

I used to do a Biblical Archaeology thread until ctyri trolled it to destroy it. Guess he didn't like any bible evidence being examined.

How many times do I have to tell you that it doesn't matter whether the writers of the bible thought the Earth was flat or spherical?

Besides, when that verse says round, it means flat and round, like a pancake. The writers thought the Earth was flat and round just like most people of that time period. God doesn't talk to anybody, the writers of the bible included, especially about whether or not the planet is spherical.

No, I have yet to investigate those claims, but I've heard most of them before. You haven't looked into them either. I doubt you'll find anything to refute the claims. (I should clarify that bible verses don't count as historical evidence, since you've done that often in the past and I assume you'll continue to do so.)

Just continue to ignore those parts of the bible that don't make sense.

Maybe you want to explain why atheists want to make a mockery of biblical archaeology so bad?

Does it upset their worldview so much that it upsets them?

Biblical Archaeology
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/13...eology-855851/

God does not possess a carnal mind.

God is Spirit. So isn't it crazy that people keep attributing man's carnal wrath to God?

Dr. Stephen E. Jones explaining carnal and spiritual wrath:
http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.o...cle.cfm?AID=30

Your thread was a closed thread where you asked for no one to express an opinion other then yours. How well could it go.

This is just false. There really isn't much more to say.

It was an evidence thread. I wanted people to post evidence in it. I assumed people that keep clamoring for evidence would find the thread of some importance.

Was I mistaken? Was skeptical attitude suppose to automatically rule out consideration of evidence?

Except that you only accept evidence that reinforces your existing beliefs.

Evidence that contradicts your beliefs is treated by you as a personal attack.

^^^ pretty much.

"My argument hit a dead end so I'll resort to attacking him personally."

No, the bible does not upset my worldview. The fact that it contains dozens of contradictions yet people think it's infallible bothers me.

You sound like somebody who thinks atheists hate god, which is not the slightest bit true. It seems people make up that lie because they see that atheists are the most intelligent group and think they need a reason to show that just because they are smarter doesn't mean they're right. It seems to shake their faith when they realize that so many more people are become atheists and are so damn sure that there is no god. Especially since many theists seriously question their faith every week, but keep believing just because of the the reward promised to them at the end of our journey.
Oh, so the story of the ark is true?

Every time you throw out the evidence you throw out the hope of the world.

Today's date: November 29 and 30 is a Prophetic Passover date.

It's the time frame when Israel left Egypt in the Old Testament.

Deep Thoughts... by Jack Handy

Oh, the irony.

Have you ever attended a service and seen a Christian raise his hands open wide?

Doesn't the outline of his body look like a vessel?

The poem "A Worthy Vessel" by Belinda van Rensburg

http://www.skywriting.net/inspiratio...hy_vessel.html