Life before we were born? - Page 3 - Religion, God, and Theology

stupid atheists always asking questions and using logic. GOD MADE US WHEN HE MADE US. WE CHILL WITH HIM AFTER WE DIE. UNLESS YOU ARE BAD. THEN SATIN POKES YOU FROM BEHIND.

Well then maybe hell isn't as bad as they say it is.

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10-05-2009 , 07:32 PM

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Well if the whole hell thing must get you in a constant up roar if you could believe in God maybe you'd be a Christadelphian:

quote: They believe that the words devil and satan are references to sin and human nature in opposition to God. According to Christadelphians, these terms are used in reference to specific political systems or individuals in opposition or conflict. Hell is understood to refer to death and the grave, rather than being a place of eternal torment.[85] Christadelphians do not believe that anyone can go to Heaven. Instead, they believe that only Christ Jesus went to Heaven, and when Christ Jesus comes back to the earth the true believers will live in the Land of Israel which will be the Kingdom of God on Earth. Christadelphians believe the doctrines they reject were introduced into Christendom after the 1st century,[86] and cannot be demonstrated from the Bible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christadelphians

It doesnt get me in an uproar at all, since the entire business is nonsense. I dont think there is some nefarious, cruel, evil God out there, testing people and denying them Heaven.

I just think its a little sad that you do, and dont realize how monstrous the God your worship must be.

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10-05-2009 , 08:12 PM

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Look at your first paragraph in the above post and compare it to your second paragraph.

You just contradicted yourself.

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10-05-2009 , 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Splendour

Look at your first paragraph in the above post and compare it to your second paragraph.

You just contradicted yourself.

Reading comprehension ftl. Nothing new im afraid.

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10-06-2009 , 02:58 AM

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The title of this thread is actually a point I make a lot of times when telling people what death is going to be like.

I say, "Remember what life was like before you were born?" They say no or something gay like that.

I say, "That's what death is like."

Basically it's nothingness ldo.

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10-06-2009 , 02:15 PM

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Basically it's nothingness ldo.

Why is that obvious?

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10-06-2009 , 06:45 PM

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Look at your first paragraph in the above post and compare it to your second paragraph.

You just contradicted yourself.

lol

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10-06-2009 , 07:57 PM

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this is my favorite thread

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10-07-2009 , 03:28 AM

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Why is that obvious?

Death = Nothingness is a very obvious equation.

Death = Not existing anymore

Before Birth = Not existing

Death = Before Birth

That's how I see it.

Some argue that Before Birth = Not conceived yet.

So I then say...

Not Conceived yet = Not existing

There's my cliffs.

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10-07-2009 , 12:04 PM

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Does anything go on with us before we are born? Do we chill at a specific place in Heaven waiting for our time to go to earth and begin life? Have we had conversations with God before we are born? I could go on with a million more random questions but I'll stop there lol.

Heaven and God are outside of our dimension and outside of time. God is not in the past or in the future from his point of view.

This doesn't explain much but I think we should take into consideration this phenomenon because we tend to think very linearly (past, present, future) when that is not the way of God and heaven.

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10-07-2009 , 12:07 PM

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Putting aside for a second what that even means, where did you get this cool information from? Source, data, evidence?

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10-07-2009 , 07:10 PM

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Putting aside for a second what that even means, where did you get this cool information from? Source, data, evidence?

Actually, this kinda makes sense doesn't it? If space/time is a function of the big bang, and the universe was a singularity with no concept of space time before that, then if you accept that that singularity and the big bang were created and set off by some devine being, then it stands to reason that that devine being would lay somewhere outside the space/time continuum.

I may be mixing up my conceptions, maybe the physics guys can clarify!

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10-07-2009 , 08:10 PM

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Death = Nothingness is a very obvious equation.

It doesn't. So it's not only not "obvious" it's just incorrect.

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10-07-2009 , 08:55 PM

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It doesn't. So it's not only not "obvious" it's just incorrect.

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10-07-2009 , 08:57 PM

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There is no consensus on whether or not space and time existed "before" the big bang. There are models where spacetime existed and there are models where it didn't.

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10-08-2009 , 12:22 AM

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It doesn't. So it's not only not "obvious" it's just incorrect.

Outstanding logic.

Brilliant poast.

Teh best evar imo.

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10-08-2009 , 01:40 AM

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Outstanding logic.

Brilliant poast.

Teh best evar imo.

I admit I copied your style.

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10-09-2009 , 06:41 AM

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I am such a believer in free will that I believe we all choose to come here. I believe we choose the lives we will be in, and accept the challenges of those lives.

I'm sure the typical 18th century African-American would agree.

I think for one to believe this for a grand scale is pretty arrogant tbh.

Don't get me wrong it's a nice idea, but to use the verb 'believe' for such a theory is only kidding yourself.

In essence, I believe anyone who assigns such answers to unanswerable questions is doing so because of the need to create answers. In the realm of why we're here (if there be a supernatural reason at all), using the word 'believe' is almost an invariably misdiagnosed conceptual grasp of certainty.

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10-09-2009 , 09:58 AM

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HAL PHIPA

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14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

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10-10-2009 , 12:09 AM

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using the word 'believe' is almost an invariably misdiagnosed conceptual grasp of certainty.

Sooooo, does this mean you didn't read the next sentence: I also believe (not "know" just believe right now until I might not later on maybe)

There are things I know. I say that when I know them. As to this:

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I'm sure the typical 18th century African-American would agree.

Y'all just love the slavery issue, don't you? Like you instantly take the moral high ground. And yet....

Yes, I think everyone chooses their life. It's a matter of perspective and relativity. Life is horrendous for some people. Life on earth is extremely short for all people. There is great power and grace in the lives some choose.

As for you, here is something I know, with perfect and absolute certainty: you will never die.

Peace be with you.

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10-10-2009 , 12:11 AM

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23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

I thought it was something about "brillig in the slithy troves?"

I gotta go look that up.

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10-10-2009 , 02:28 AM

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As for you, here is something I know, with perfect and absolute certainty: you will never die.

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